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Phoenix Log… Uhhh… Well I really don’t know WHEN I am. What I do know is I seem to have crash-landed in a huuuuge territory called “Mercury Falls”. ‘Tis like no other township I’ve ever come across in my journeys. It dwarfs Gnew Gnomeland by at least 5 magnitudes. The last thing I remember before waking up in this strange land is preparing for my creeping death with the final few days I had left. After bequeathing my possessions and saying my final goodbyes, I was encased fully in ice. As everything went Ravenblack, I remember… Moving towards a strange, faint golden light that seemed to call out to my very soul. It wasn’t metaphorically calling to me, either. No, ’twas actually calling out to me. As I got closer, the glow grew in intensity, but it’s volume grew even more so. I can say with unwavering certainty that it was the sweetest aural honey I’ve ever had the luxury of indulging myself in.
Once I had reached the singing light, the sound ceased and I felt my very sense of self being tugged deep into its core. Therein I found myself at the foot of a throne that made the Golden Hills look like simple anthills. It was made of a most beautiful material that seemed to behave as a gas would under normal atmospheric conditions, but it held firm and reflected light as though it were made of adamantine! I wanted nothing more than to grab a sample of this strange substance to test its properties and see if it could be reverse engineered, but I found myself lacking a body with which to even move.
“It’s pretty impressive, I’ll give you that, but there’s no way you could manufacture something like this, little gnome.” came a voice that permeated what little being I had left. “Even an ounce of this material would take 200 pure souls coming together and giving up a portion of their essence. A nigh impossible task in this day and age, it would seem…” The end of the sentence was punctuated with a deep sigh that was laced with a tinge of what I thought could’ve been regret, but I may be mistaken.
Now as someone who has met a couple of gods in her time, I actually didn’t know what to make of the entity before me or the situation I found myself in. The voice belonged to a woman who sat with her legs and arms crossed as she looked down upon me from what seemed like miles above with a sort of callous aloofness, almost as though she would disregard my entire existence if she could. She was as pale as bone with hair that hung over her shoulders and down into her lap. I will give her this, the robe she wore was astonishing in its shimmering beauty. It was gold with green and black accents that slowly weaved and swirled around her delicate frame as though they were alive.
“So gnome–” she began before I cut her off, somehow the words flowed from me even without a mouth to deliver them.
“As much as I appreciate you knowing my species designation, my name is–“
“Artia Flameborne, the Phoenix Queen. Not an actual queen, but a noble-hearted hero, scholar, and soon to be a RING for my pinky toe if you EVER choose to interrupt me again. Have I made myself clear?” she asked me without ever raising her voice a single decibel, though I felt every syllable rattle me to my core. As she spoke, she leaned down to actually look at me, and in the reflection of her icy glare, I could see my last days playing on repeat. She was like no goddess I’d ever met. Granted, I’d only ever met the god of Gnomes and the goddess of luck, but it felt like my luck had just run out.
“Yes, uhhh… I’m sorry, how should I address you?” I had to finish up my line of questioning, even if my existence was on the line. Manners are manners, after all!
“Hrrrmm…. I am Death. I’m not a goddess of death or an aspect of death. I. Am. Death.” replied this abstract concept that I felt I should be more acquainted with after so many near-death experiences and getting my… “Your soul being ripped out of your body is definitely considered death, but your native universe has a different ‘Death’. I think it’s getting something called a ‘character sheet’ ripped up. You, however, are getting a second chance from one of the higher-ups of the universe that has ties to your old universe,” she chimed in, interrupting my very thoughts! “Yes, I can read your soul, child. I know your thoughts, your past, and I can see potential futures for you. Lots of interesting ends, a few plain ones. First things first, you’ll need a body.”
She reached down and grabbed me in her perfectly manicured black nails. She brought me to face her before blowing a gust of golden wind that could’ve extinguished the sun itself. And then I was there, whole again in my perfect 106.7 centimeters (3’6″). I had to take a second and feel my limbs and flex my fingers and toes, a huge grin spreading across the mouth I never thought I’d miss as much as I did! And then I realized I wasn’t in my magic-harnessing combat suit, but rather my “birthday suit”.
“Garl’s Gold!!” Immediately I covered my barest bits, which brought a quaking, throaty cackle from Death’s lips. Her starry eyes folded and her head tilted back in a display of joy I wasn’t certain she was capable of showing! I made a mental note though. Death, in fact, had a sense of humor.
“Mortals and your modesty. Why would you be ashamed of what you were given?” she gasped out between her laughter. “Besides, it’s not like I haven’t seen a mortal’s nude form before. Do you know how many beings die without clothes on? It’s kinda funny. I mean, it’s my job, so it’s not FUNNY but…” her free hand moved to wipe the tears forming in the corners of her eyes. “Back on track, it’s your lucky day! Your soul was bonded to a being named… Orryn?”
My eyes immediately widened and the hands that were covering my nude form were almost magnetically drawn to my cheeks at the mention of my baby bird boi’s name.
“ORRYN EL’KI BARTHANTHONY JUANELIUS WIGWUG BREEZNA PALLABAR CHIZZYWICK GIMBINO TIPPLETOE ZANZAN NATTHEW BLAZEBEAK FLAMEBORNE???????????” I blurted out with such speed and fluidity that Death herself was taken aback for a second.
“Uhh… Yes. Exactly what you said. Anyways…” she gave a snap of her fingers and with a burning spark that rivaled the sun itself, my most trusted companion, my best friend, my soul-child Orryn was back in my arms for the first time since I hugged him on my death bed a lifetime ago. He was just as small, sweet, and fluffy as I remembered. His flaming plume tickled under my nose and I basked in the sticky-sweet aroma of burning alder branches and applewood.
“I never thought I’d see you again, Orryn! Sorry you have to see me in the buff.” He just chirped his nonchalant approval of the situation and took his spot on my head, making a nest of my wild hair and getting comfortable.
“Alright, if we’re finished with the reunion, it’s time to send you packing on your way to Earth. Your new journey starts here, good luck and don’t do anything stupid or you’ll be seeing me again sooner than you’d like,” Death quickly declared. She reached out to scratch Orryn’s head gently with the tip of her fingernail and then started gathering energy in her other hand. “This is goodbye for now, Flame–”
An idea flashed through my mind quicker than lightning and I had to interject. “I’m sorry, hold on, before you punt me through the cosmos… Can I offer you a quick wager?” It felt greedy, but starting over without one last personal effect from my old life felt like playing life on hard mode, and I wanted to take full advantage of the second chance I’d been given.
“What in the universe could you offer me, little mortal?” Death asked with a slight eyebrow raise and a tone that was dripping with bemusement.
“A pure mortal soul, my baby bird!” I exclaimed. Orryn, immediately upset by my seemingly callous offer, pecked at my noggin roughly to show his displeasure. “Think about it: Death and her pet phoenix, forever roaming the cosmos. It’s a pretty slick look, you have to admit.”
“Hmm… You’re not wrong. And I do get a little lonely sometimes… Okay, what’s the challenge?”
“I bet I can make you laugh with… Ow! Orryn! I bet I can make you laugh with a single joke. If I win, you have to bring my portable workshop from my old universe to me. If I lose, you may have Orryn until the end of time. Deal?” I asked with sweat pouring from my palms. Orryn stopped pecking me and looked at Death with a cocked head.
“You’re on, mortal. I look forward to having a new undying companion!” she said with glee filling her eyes.
“No peeking at my soul while I remember the joke, okay?” I took a deep breath and thought back to my time as a young girl in my hometown of Gnew Gnomeland. During our bi-monthly joke-stravaganza, I once heard a joke that occasionally to this day wakes me up in the middle of the night with a case of the giggles.
“My father was the strongest, proudest gnome I’ve ever known and he was my source of inspiration and encouragement for a lot of my early life. I will never forget the last words he said to me… Before he… Kicked the bucket, so to speak,” I choked out the words with a few stifled sobs for dramatic effect. Orryn tried to comfort me by wiping at my eyes to evaporate the tears I conjured up with a wave of my pinky finger. “He said… He said… ‘Hey Artia, watch me kick this bucket!!’” To really sell the joke, I made a kicking motion and snapped my fingers to generate the sound of a rusty bucket getting knocked over. Thank Tymora magic still works in this strange new universe! “It flew at least 20 meters..”
Death looked at me with an expression so flat, her face almost looked like it was sketched on a piece of paper. After about 5 seconds, she couldn’t help but snort that threatened to blow out Orryn’s flame before an airy guffaw escaped her onyx-tinted lips.
“Dammit! You got me this time, Artia, I will grant you your wish. Hehe ‘Watch me kick this bucket’! I’m gonna have to use that one sometime,” she chuckled softly as she reached out in front of her with her arm disappearing in midair from the elbow down. She looked as though she was digging through a giant invisible purse. Her rooting around finally resulted in something judging by the satisfied look on her face as she brought her hand back into this reality.
“Here ya go, one gently used toolbox workshop!” she said as she placed my prized non-organic possession at my feet. “It’s a little rusty on the outside because it was kept in something called the ‘Hall of Humidity’? I, uh, accidentally knocked over a glass case with a suit of armor in it, so I just popped it inside of the toolbox. Hopefully nobody gets in trouble over that!”
My heart almost soared out of my chest when I opened up my trusty toolbox and found that everything was exactly as I had left it, with the addition of my power armor standing upright in the middle of the expansive laboratory setting contained in such a small space.
“You’re the best, Death! I’ll never forget this!” I said through real joyful tears.
“Aww, so that’s what it sounds like when gnomes cry. Okie, shitty puns aside, we’ve gotta wrap this up. I’ve got another appointment scheduled for right now and I don’t want to miss it. Have fun in the new world, Artia and maybe work on raising your Wisdom stat,” she said with a sly wink before flicking me away with her charged up middle finger. As I waved and sped away, for a brief second I could see her in her entirety for the first time instead of just her shins and face when she bent over. She had an incredible statuesque beauty about her, and her features were both coldly dismissive and warmly welcoming. I almost hated to leave her… But as she waved back at me from her soul throne on her massive, isolated cloud, I knew that no matter what I’d see her again someday.
I don’t know how long I floated through the emptiness of space. To Orryn and I, it was a mere couple of minutes. We couldn’t really take in the sights after a few seconds as we were constantly accelerating. Time was irrelevant at this point, so I kinda tuned out and just played with Orryn for the trip. He loves it when I scratch his tummy! Before long, I guess if I had to estimate it was only about 5 minutes, I could see a planet that had a brilliant blue hue and wispy white clouds floating around it. I assumed the blue was water, so this must be the “Earth” that Death was speaking of. I soon realized as Orryn started chirping and my skin started to smolder a little, that we had breached this planet’s atmosphere and Death had failed to provide us any way to land without immediately biting the dust… Again. So, with some quick thinking, and the ground approaching even more quickly, we hopped inside of my laboratory and braced for impact.
BOOOOOM!!!! The crash was deafening from the inside, but upon popping my head out of my humble workstation, I found that we left minimal damage to the surrounding forest we happened to land in. I had to chuckle when I realized Death had spared us, although I did wish I had been outside to experience what a crash like that would feel like firsthand. Maybe next time. I slid back inside and donned my power armor, just in case someone decided to test their luck against the Phoenix Queen and her trusted avian partner!
I jumped out fully and collected my toolbox in my arms before turning around and walking a short distance before my eyes drank in a sight that I’ll never forget as long as I live. A dryad, as green as the foliage of the trees and as naked as nature intended was bathing under a waterfall. It sounds kind of cliche now that I’m thinking back on it. Our eyes met, both of us frozen in fear before my eyes inevitably trailed down and back up her glistening frame. Her hands moved from the hair she was washing down to cover herself.
“HOW DARE YOU SPY ON ME!!! I’LL HAVE YOU ARRESTED IF YOU DON’T LEAVE RIGHT NOW!!! GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT!!!!” she screamed with a voice that sounded like it was rustling through the very leaves around us.
I immediately covered mine and Orryn’s eyes and darted away in the opposite direction, but I tripped on an exposed root… I’m not proud to admit it, but it’s true. “I-I-I… I’m sorry ma’am, it wasn’t… I was just… Oh my gods I’m so sorry!!” With trembling fingers, I cast a spell of invisibility and just ran. I totally forgot my suit allows me to fly. I just had to get out of there. Why was I so nervous, I have no idea. It’s not like I’ve never… I’ve never been more embarrassed in my entire life… Well, maybe that time I accidentally… Nevermind, it’s not important.
Anyway, I’m rambling. I soon happened upon a nearby city that makes Gnew Gnomeland look like a child’s model city. There appears to be a tall wizard’s tower near the edge, so I’m hoping I can find some assistance from a fellow magic practitioner there. I will update this log later with any more information I can find on my new surroundings. Artia out.
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2020.11.25 23:44 pijinglish Spy nude

An earlier post today by u/marienbad titled The Finders of Lost Children discussed the long held conspiracy theories and mysteries surrounding a group of people known as The Finders. That post gives a much more detailed overview of the common points that are typically brought up whenever someone mentions The Finders.
TL;DR (but you really should R): In 1987, a van with a bunch of dirty kids being driven by two men in business suits was spotted in a park in Tallahassee, FL. The men were arrested and the children were taken into custody. When it turned out the men belonged to a strange group of people from Washington, DC who were called The Finders, it set off an investigation and media storm that claimed everything from devil worship to child sex trafficking.
I'm going to do my best to give some additional information, but it will likely be unsatisfactory to some as I'm not trying to doxx these people who were children when this happened to them. So take it as you will.
Some quick background info on The Finders that is often left out or overlooked when it's much easier to make broad claims about satanic child abuse: The group had been around since the late 1960's to early 1970's, though it's leader, Marion Pettie ("The Gamecaller"), had been holding salons of one sort or another in DC for decades before that. When the van story broke in 1987, The Finders' public spokesman was Robert Terrell, who was later interviewed for a Washington City Paper article:

"In 1971, Terrell had a pretty hefty chunk of the American dream: Married with children, the 35-year-old venture capitalist and CPA had a house in Chevy Chase; he was making nearly $200,000 a year. He owned a farm in West Virginia and half of an oil company, among other holdings. Less than a year later, Terrell had left his family and joined the Finders. “I was looking for a more meaningful life,” he recalls. “I had already made a pretty big pile of money and I couldn’t go on just making more, there wasn’t really much point in that. Pettie offered a more personalized life, more community-oriented, re-establishing the kind of extended family that the human species evolved under. — In the early days, the group resembled an extended family, but the real attraction for Terrell was self-realization. “Pettie used the term ‘pressure cooker,’” he says. “The idea was to explore your own person and discover your own true nature. You can’t do that just sitting at a desk or on a couch in a routine way. You have to have some experiences, so Pettie was good at structuring experiences from which you could learn. He called himself the ‘game caller,’ and what that meant was that he’d call a game for you to do something where you’d gain experience.” For Terrell, game playing ranged from working a temp accounting job in a downtown D.C. law firm to catching a flight to Japan on two hours’ notice to gather information on Japanese companies and report back to Pettie. It was a subculture built on whimsy and intrigue, undergirded by a sense of tribal affiliation. “Early on, we were focused on trying to build a community that was based on old-fashioned principles of loyalty,” he says. When my questions drift into the sexual dynamics of the Finders, Terrell gets angry: “If you want to write a scholarly piece about the group in the historical context of the Shakers and the Oneida communities, fine, but for a newspaper article, I don’t want to get into that—that’s sensationalism.”
Around 1973, Terrell purchased two properties on W Street in DC which became The Finders' group house. Regarding "sexual dynamics", women slept in one house and men slept in another. While couples did develop, there was a bit of a free love vibe, but women were in control of partnering. When a woman decided she wanted to sleep with someone she'd let them know and the man would join her for a night or however long things lasted. (From what I can tell about these relationships, the women were typically a few years older than the men, though that's a generalization.)
By and large, The Finders were well educated and generally well off. Many were involved with computers long before that was a common occurrence. For instance, Stuart Silverstone, who was found by police living at the W Street residence in 1987, was in 1968 a faculty member at MIT who taught "Computers in Architecture", "a course in computer applications in architecture and game teaching." Other members, like John Cox (who was briefly married to Finders matriarch Barbara Sylvester), founded companies like General Scientific, which handled classified defense contracts.
There were more than a few Finders who were involved in either government or military work at points in their lives. Whether this connects to anything necessarily nefarious or is simply the result of smart people living in the DC area during the Cold War is a longer discussion for a different time, but it should be noted. The Finders were somewhat obsessed with compiling information, either as part of their "games" or perhaps having something to do with Marion Pettie's own military and/or (alleged) CIA ties. When the Finders' warehouse was raided in 1987, police found all sorts of computer equipment and books that raised eyebrows. This was what the Finders referred to as their Information Bank.
In a 1994 article by Daniel Brandt titled Marion Pettie and his Washington DC "Finders": Kooks or Spooks?, Brandt writes:
In August 1984, two twenty-something young men wearing ties knocked on my door and gave their names: Steve Usdin and Jeff Ubois. A tiny newsletter had mentioned the database I was developing, and they were interested. They began pumping me on my activities and associates, and took notes. Their questions reflected a familiarity with obscure leftist personalities and publications that is found only among seasoned activists, and even more curiously, they expressed no politics of their own. Usdin and Ubois had to be "sent men."
But they wanted to be helpful. My own attempts to interest progressives in my project had been met with quizzical looks, because at the time most leftists were still using typewriters. These two fellows at least knew all about microcomputing. So I rewarded them with the first edition of what today is called NameBase. At the same time I mentioned that I needed the IBM BASIC compiler to get the program transferred from CP/M, and a few weeks later they came by with just what I needed, complete with a photocopied manual in a binder. I probably should have asked them for new computers and an office.
They said their group went by the name of "Information Bank," and they wanted to approach certain organizations in the Washington DC area and volunteer their technical skills. The following June I visited their warehouse headquarters and met Randolph A. Winn and Robert M. Meyer. I asked questions about who or what was behind it all, but their answers were evasive. From their perspective, I was a potential recruit.
In July 1985 I got a call from Kris Jacobs, a DC activist who did research on the right-wing. She said that Ubois was caught looking in her office files, and when she confronted him, he claimed to be from the National Journalism Center. Since NJC is a right-wing group that was then doing research on the left, his answer didn't pacify her. Ubois had been dropping my name to talk his way into certain places, so Ms. Jacobs wasn't happy with my excuses either. I alerted two other organizations who were getting assistance from the Information Bank. The next time Ubois came over in early 1986, I casually brought up the name "National Journalism Center" in a different context, and asked him if he had ever heard of it. "Nope." That's when I opened my own file on the Information Bank.
Louis Wolf helped me check crisscross directories and we visited the recorder of deeds. Several group names were listed under each address, and the two properties we knew about were both in the name of Robert G. Terrell, Jr. While returning from the recorder of deeds office, cross my heart, we spotted Usdin walking with an older man. He didn't see us so we followed them on foot for about two miles like Keystone Kops (they kept stopping at store windows), but eventually lost them. Sometime later Ubois dropped in on Wolf (they never call ahead) and whipped out a business card that read "Hong Kong Business Today." He wanted to know how to get a visa for Vietnam. It was clear by then that most group members were world-class travelers, which included travel to numerous Eastern Bloc countries. It was all a game to them. This was a small group -- perhaps 40 adults -- but they had no visible income to support their far-flung activities.
In February 1987, two young men from the group were arrested in Tallahassee, Florida because the van they were driving contained six children with dirty faces. The term "child abuse" was trumpeted in all of the media, all over the country, for several days. Customs, the FBI, and DC police raided three group properties and made off with their files and computers. The group (it was a "cult" to the media) was called the "Finders" (years earlier they had been known as the "Seekers"), and it was run by Marion David Pettie, then 67 years old. At least now I knew who the older man was and I had another name for the group. No charges were filed and the children were soon returned to their mothers in the group. After realizing that they had been feeding on a nonstory, the media suddenly dropped everything with no apologies. I called the Washington Post city desk at the height of the hysteria and explained that there was another angle, but when their reporter called back he was only being polite.
Three years later I obtained a three-page nongovernment memo of undetermined origin that summarizes Pettie's intelligence links. Most of it seems to check out. According to this memo, Pettie began his career with assorted OSS contacts, served as a chauffeur to General Ira Eaker, became a protege of Charles Marsh (an intimate of FDR and LBJ who ran his own private intelligence network), and was trained in counterintelligence in Baltimore and Frankfurt, Germany. His wife worked for the CIA, and Pettie himself was run by Col. Leonard N. Weigner (whose September 1990 Washington Post obituary confirms that his career was spent in air force intelligence and the CIA). Pettie's case officer was Major George Varga, who relayed Weigner's instructions until Varga died in the 1970s. The memo says that on Weigner's advice Pettie resigned from the military and surrounded himself with "kooks" so that he could infiltrate the "beat," human potential, and now the New Age movements.
Okay, so file this memo under "P" for "Paranoia." Except that in December 1993, first the Washington Times (which was picked up by AP), and then U.S. News and World Report, both carried essentially the same story. It seems that the Finders investigation was stopped cold shortly after it started in 1987, and now the Justice Department has formed a task force to figure out what's going on. Why was it stopped? This is from an internal "Memo to File" written by a Customs agent who participated in the raids, dated 13 April 1987:
CIA made one contact and admitted to owning the Finders organization ...but that it had "gone bad." ... [I was advised] the investigation into the activity of the Finders had become a CIA internal matter. The MPD [DC police] report has been classified Secret and was not available for review. I was advised that the FBI had withdrawn from the investigation several weeks prior and that the FBI Foreign Counterintelligence Division had directed MPD not to advise the FBI Washington Field Office of anything that had transpired. No further information will be available. No further action will be taken.
If Pettie and The Finders were some front for the CIA, it remains unclear to me what the actual purpose was. Were the members who played Pettie's games somehow witting or unwitting spies?
"Games" played a central role inside the Finders, and it was often difficult to know when the members were playing out some fantasy and when they were not, ex-associates said. The Finders' tendency to abandon jobs and homes at a moment's notice could complicate law enforcement efforts to find the group's members, who were gone from their Washington bases when police arrived Thursday, sources said. Sometimes they approached businesses -- from a major Washington law firm to a leftist think tank -- and offered their expertise in computer programming and other services, sources said. Other times the group went through the motions of setting up a business, sometimes printing up phony business cards. Some members used up to 20 aliases, ex-associates said.
Terrell called Finders' leader Marion Pettie "my entertainer. He provides me with a model of somebody who is never satisfied with the status quo and he inspires me upward and he keeps me laughing as I go.” Pettie, an Air Force master sergeant who retired in 1956 and bought extensive woodland property in rural Madison County, Va., started the Finders in the late 1960s as a communal experiment characteristic of the period. He sought intelligent, well-educated people who could discuss the latest thought in philosophy, psychology and human development. The Finders eschewed counterculture music and drugs, former associates said. While they maintained an open-door policy at their Washington house and Virginia farms, many of the drifters and hippies who came for free food quickly left because of the emphasis on serious conversation and work.
"It used to be an organization of dropout professionals who didn't know what to do with their lives," said one former associate. "But it took a bad turn.” In the early 1980s, Pettie's close friend and second-in-command, known by the group as Barbara Sylvester, who was in her forties, died at the Finders' W Street house after she did not receive medical help for appendicitis. The death apparently placed Pettie into a gloomy mood and led to a shift in the group's tone. The Finders became increasingly secretive, hostile and arrogant toward nonmembers, former associates said. Members engaged in long self-criticism sessions, exposing painful emotional inadequacies to the group. Members stopped seeing relatives and friends who were not in the group; former associates found themselves shunned or treated brusquely. It was amid this blend of surliness and somber planning for the future that the community began to raise its new generation, children who were shared by numerous parents yet nurtured by no one in particular, ex-associates said."
...Former members of the Finders said that the six children found in Tallahassee are sons and daughters of group members, the result of a deliberate binge of child-bearing among group women in the past few years, after about 10 years of freewheeling relationships in which they deliberately avoided having children, former associates said. A number of the older members of the Finders, people in their forties or fifties, had careers or families before but left them behind to take part in the group. Looking back, most of them regarded their old lives as uninteresting and their children and former spouses as too conventional, according to former group associates and relatives of current members. Pettie and his followers agreed about 1980 that they should start a new generation of children and raise them in an experimental way, the sources said. The biological parents would not raise them; the group would. But in reality the children were largely ignored by the members, with responsibility for their care considered drudgery, former members said. "It was an undesirable job in the group," said a person who quit several years ago. "They were trying to keep the kids out of their hair . . . . The theory was the children should have a lot of abundance . . . . But they were terrible at putting it into practice.” In a telephone interview last night, a man who identified himself as Robert Gardner Terrell, 50, the owner of two Washington buildings used by the Finders, said the group included 20 adults and six children, and tried to provide children with "the richest life they could have."
"Children always come first in our organization," he said. "We're trying to create a model that could be followed by other persons who want to raise free children . . . . “ The commune children were so dirty and full of sores on their bodies that they were not allowed to play with other children on the playground at Stoddert School near the W Street residence, former associates said. Group members had taken the children there to encourage them to play with nongroup youngsters, but the two groups did not mix because the Finders' children could hardly communicate with the others, one ex-associate said. All the commune's former participants who were interviewed agreed that they knew nothing about child abuse in the organization, though members may sometimes have ignored the children or even mistreated them.
According to Terrell, The Finders created a sort of Garden of Eden for the children on land they owned in rural Virginia. By making walls of brush and branches, they built a play pen several acres long and wide, with fields, forest, and streams for the nude children to do whatever they wanted in, left to their own devices. Finders watched the children from afar with binoculars, but otherwise didn't interfere. When the children were indoors, adults walked around on their knees so as to not intimidate the kids. And Pettie insisted that the adults speak to the children nonsensically, so the kids could figure things out for themselves. Additionally, Pettie and the adults created "games" for the kids to play which were often life parables in which prizes like apples were given to the winners. We're told the goal, misguided though the methods may have been, was to rear creative and independent children unlike those raised on cartoons and frozen dinners.
It was the group who raised the children, not individual parents, and Pettie wanted the kids weaned off of their mothers. In December of 1986, the women of the group left for a game that Pettie called in California. With the mothers' consent, the six children left for warmer weather with three men in the group, Michael Holwell, Douglas Ammerman, Stan Berns (an architect), and Kenny Rogers (a landscape designer). Holwell was the father of one of the children, though due to The Finders' views on fatherhood, his specific role as "father" may have been unclear. According to Terrell, the men and children drove from Washington, DC to Berea, KY where they hoped to help in the construction of a religious community called New Hope, run by Rev. Jim Wyker. [A photo of the undeveloped property can be seen here.] The Orlando Sentinel reported:

While asserting in a telephone interview Saturday night that he had no connection with the Finders, Wyker described them favorably and confirmed that group members had been in Berea last month. The children, he added, "were healthy, very well fed, and loved like they were in a family.” The memo named a man and woman from Spring Grove, Pa., who it said helped with child care on the trip to Berea. The woman, who identified herself as True Marks, said after being reached at a telephone number supplied by Terrell that members of the group "took very good care" of the children and "never hit them or abused them in any way.” According to Terrell's memo, "it was thought" that the children would be enrolled in a Montessori school in Berea for the duration of the project. He said the children's mothers "are now in San Francisco working in business offices, earning money to help pay for 'New Hope.’ "After finding that preparations for Kentucky groundbreaking were incomplete, Terrell said, the men took the children to Florida on a vacation and camping trip "with the full applause and approval of the children's mothers.”
While in Florida, the dirty children were observed with Ammerman and Holwell, and from there the story took off. On February 4, 1987, the men were arrested and the children put in protective custody. The Finders were already an odd lot by mainstream standards, but adding fuel to the fire were a collection of photographs found in their DC warehouse showing a goat being slaughtered in front of the naked children. Terrell explains this was simply to educate the kids about where their food came from. Given the complete lack of other "satanic" evidence, I'm inclined to believe him.
All of the children were eventually returned to their parents and the charges dropped. According to Finders at the time, this incident was the breaking point of an already struggling experiment and The Finders were no more. The properties in DC were sold, Marion Pettie moved to his farm in Virginia, and The Finders scattered to the winds. In 1991, Terrell said, “The vision of the group shifted, and the nature of the group shifted from an idealistic utopian community to more of a military-like organization where following orders became more important than the vision.”
But rumors of a devil worshiping cult of child sex traffickers dominate stories about The Finders to this day. What ever became of The Finders, and the mysterious children in the van?
During reporting at the time, the children were identified as Mary, 7; her brother John Paul, 2; Max, 6; Benjamin Franklin, 4; Honeybee, 3; and Bebe, 2. (According to Terrell, the children were allowed to name themselves.)
Mary and John Paul's parents were Paula and James Michael Holwell (who was one of the two men arrested while driving the van). Paula and James were married in 1982 and listed their address as 3918-20 W Street, Washington DC, which is widely known as The Finder's group house.
Max's mother was Patricia. (I believe I know who the father is, but that remains unconfirmed.)
Benjamin Franklin's parents were Kristin and Steve Usdin.
Honeybee's mother was Judith. (I believe I know who the father is, but that remains unconfirmed.)
Bebe's parents were Carolyn and Jeff Ubois.
While The Finders officially disbanded among a string of lawsuits to redistribute the income they'd shared for decades, upon closer examination many of them more likely just escaped the influence of Marion Pettie. Records show that several of The Finders continued to live together in group houses or small communities from Florida to California well into the early 2000's. (Terrell ran a vegan bakery in central Florida for a number of years.) While they can't show the whole story, yearbooks and newspaper articles show the children attending schools and colleges, and the ones I've tracked down seem to be doing well by outward appearances — at the very least they haven't disappeared into satanic dungeon somewhere.
Mary can be seen at age 10 talking about saving sea turtles. At age 12, she writes about Earth Day. In high school, she performed Shakespearean monologues. And today, she works for a division of NASA.
Max grew up with his mother in California in a Finders group home. His father, I think, stayed in Virginia with Marion Pettie. Today, Max runs a landscaping design business.
Bebe appears to have grown up in the same house as Max. He has since changed his name and is CEO an internet company.
There's no indication the children were trafficked or were ever intended to be. However strange or unorthodox their childhoods were, the children are alive to this day and seem to be doing quite well.
Plenty of mysteries about The Finders remain, but I think we can put the satanic sex cult rumors to rest.
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expirence
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  7. Any Kinks
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Masturbating 114. Have you ever walked in when
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Academics/School
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Economic Status/Wealth:
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(above-ground/below-ground) 139. Do you live in a gated neighborhood
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  9. Middle Name 10. Birthday
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Hobbies/Favorite things:
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  6. How many Family members
  7. How many friends 33. Do you plan on going
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argument
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  4. What was the last message you
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  1. Amount of time you use social
media
to
Personal Belongings:
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  2. Do you own anything above
$1,000
  1. Most prized possession
  2. Do you own anything
embarrassing
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Relationships:
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  3. Who is your crush 81. Celebrity Crush
  4. Have you ever cheated on
someone
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Sex & Sexuality:
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  2. Do you have piercing/tattoos
  3. Have you ever had same-sex
expirence
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  5. Ideal Sexual/Physical attributes
  6. Favorite Sexual Fantasy
  7. Turn Ons/Turn Offs
  8. Any Kinks
  9. Ideal Sexual Position 111. How do you masturbate
  10. Do you own a toy 113. Have you ever been caught
Masturbating 114. Have you ever walked in when
someone was having sex
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  4. What do you expect in a sexual relationship
Academics/School
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  3. What grade are you in
  4. Most favorite teacher
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  6. Highest Grade/Lowest Grade in
classes
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Economic Status/Wealth:
132: Are you rich/poor
  1. Where do you stand in the wealth
class (lower class, middle class, upper
class)
  1. How big is your house
  2. Take a picture of your house
  3. How much do your parents make
  4. Do your parents struggle with debt
  5. Do you own a pool
(above-ground/below-ground)
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  2. Do you have expensive stuff
  3. How big is your room
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2020.11.01 16:45 CrimsonPig Spy nude

As we all know, Grandpa Joe is an evil man who says many despicable things. Several of his quotes have been discussed before, as they demonstrate what a vile, selfish son of a bitch he is. However, I was watching the movie recently and I realized that there are many more examples of this that I had never thought of. In fact, literally every line from Grandpa Joe reveals some aspect of his immoral nature. So I’ve decided to go through them and explain how each one shows what a malevolent being he is.
Now, some of these are more obvious than others and don’t need a lot of explanation, but for the sake of completion I’ll be including every line uttered by Grandpa Joe in the movie. Some stand on their own so I’ll just put down those individual lines, but others benefit from the context of the scene, so for those I’ll add the lines spoken by other characters immediately before or after. If Grandpa Joe has multiple lines spoken consecutively, or an exchange of lines with another character, sometimes I’ll group the lines together if there’s only one or two overall points to draw from them. However, all of Grandpa Joe’s lines will be included in one way or another (well, most of them anyway; I’ll have to make a few exceptions but I’ll explain those as I get to them).
With that out of the way, let’s begin:

GRANDMA JOSEPHINE: Charlie's late.
GRANDPA JOE: He works too hard for a little boy. He should have some time to play.
Grandpa Joe’s concern for Charlie here is just a show. He knows full well that Charlie could have more time to play, but that would mean getting off his ass and getting a job himself.
GRANDPA JOE: Soon as I get my strength back, I'm gonna get out of this bed and help him.
MRS. BUCKET: Dad, in all the years you've been saying you're going to get out of that bed, I've yet to see you set foot on the floor.
We see from Mrs. Bucket’s line that this is something Grandpa Joe has stated several times before, showing that all his promises are just empty words meant to paint himself in a more positive light.
GRANDPA JOE: Well… maybe if the floor wasn't so cold!
This is a classic one. What a flimsy excuse for not getting out of bed. We even see later in the movie that Grandpa Joe has slippers readily available, so this doesn’t hold any water.
CHARLIE: Hi, everybody!
GRANDPA JOE: Wake up!
GRANDMA JOSEPHINE: Wake up!
GRANDPA JOE: Wake up; Charlie's home!
Here we see Grandpa Joe forcefully waking up Grandpa George and Grandma Georgina from their peaceful naps. Sure, I’m sure they were glad to see Charlie too, but did he really need to wake them up right that second? Very inconsiderate.
CHARLIE: Is this your supper, Grandpa?
GRANDPA JOE: Well, it's yours too, Charlie.
Instead of simply responding “Yes,” Grandpa Joe has to remind Charlie that this paltry supper of cabbage water is all he has to eat as well.
CHARLIE: I'm fed up with cabbage water. It's not enough!
GRANDMA GEORGINA: Charlie!
GRANDMA JOSEPHINE: It's all we have.
GRANDPA JOE: What are you saying?
Instead of humoring Charlie and waiting for what he has to say, Grandpa Joe decides to join in with the other grandparents reprimanding him.
MRS. BUCKET: Charlie, where'd you get that?
GRANDPA JOE: What difference does it make where he got it? Point is, he got it!
Another classic. Grandpa Joe doesn’t care that Charlie may have obtained the bread through unsavory means, like stealing it. He’s also sending a message to Charlie here that it’s ok to commit a crime, as long as you get what you want out of it.
CHARLIE: From now on, I'm going to pay for your tobacco.
GRANDPA JOE: No one's going to pay for it, Charlie. I'm giving it up.
MRS. BUCKET: Come on, Dad, it's only one pipe a day.
GRANDPA JOE: When a loaf of bread looks like a banquet, I've no right buying tobacco.
CHARLIE: Go on, Grandpa. Please take it.
(GRANDPA JOE takes money)
Once again Grandpa Joe is trying to make it sound like he has the family’s well-being in mind, when in reality he has no intention of turning down Charlie’s money. He knows that his kind-hearted grandson will push the issue, so he uses the opportunity to make a few feeble protests to make himself look good before accepting the money.
CHARLIE: After I finished my paper route, I was in front of Wonka's. There was this strange man there. I think he was a tinker. He was standing right behind me, looking up at the factory. Just before he left he said, "Nobody ever goes in, and nobody ever comes out."
GRANDPA JOE: And right he was, Charlie. Not since the tragic day that Willy Wonka locked it.
CHARLIE: Why'd he lock it?
GRANDPA JOE: Because all the other chocolate makers in the world were sending in spies--dressed as workers!--to steal Mr. Wonka's secret recipes. Especially Slugworth… oh, that Slugworth, he was the worst! Finally Mr. Wonka shouted, "I shall be ruined! Close the factory!" And that's just what he did. He locked the gates and vanished completely. And then suddenly, about three years later, the most amazing thing happened. The factory started working again, full blast! And more delicious candies were coming out than ever before. But the gates stayed locked so that no one, not even Mr. Slugworth, could steal them.
CHARLIE: But Grandpa, someone must be helping Mr. Wonka work the factory.
GRANDPA JOE: Thousands must be helping him.
CHARLIE: But who? Who are they?
GRANDPA JOE: That is the biggest mystery of them all.
Now, here’s where we get into a bit of speculation. I think it’s a little fishy how much Grandpa Joe knows about the history of the factory. My theory is that he was directly involved in these events, either as one of the spies who tried to steal Wonka’s recipes, or as a former business associate of Wonka’s. If he was a corporate spy, then that’s yet another scummy act that Grandpa Joe is guilty of. If he used to work with Wonka, then my next theory is that Wonka terminated their partnership due to Grandpa Joe’s shady business methods. We’ve already seen in the present day that he’s willing to lie and steal to get what he wants; this likely didn’t sit well with Wonka, so he pushed Grandpa Joe away. In either case, this is probably why Joe is so eager to get back into the factory, so he can continue his sleazy business tactics.
NEWSMAN (on TV): And as if this were not enough, each winner before he receives his prize will be personally escorted through the top secret chocolate factory...
GRANDMA JOSEPHINE: They're all crazy!
GRANDPA JOE: Sssshhh! The man's a genius! He'll sell a million bars.
Yet another example of Grandpa Joe’s greed; all he can think about is the potential financial gain in Wonka’s venture.
CHARLIE: Grandpa, do you think I've got a chance to find one?
GRANDPA JOE: One? I'm counting on you to find all five!
Despite knowing that Charlie’s chances of finding a golden ticket are extremely low, Grandpa Joe gives him false hope that will only serve to make Charlie’s disappointment even more bitter when the contest is over.
ALL: Happy Birthday, Charlie!
GRANDPA JOE: Happy Birthday!
Grandpa Joe wishes Charlie a happy birthday separate from everyone else, showing that he needs to be the center of attention at all times, even on his grandson’s birthday.
GRANDPA JOE: And here's a little gift from Grandpa George and me.
Here Grandpa Joe insists on being the one to present Charlie with the group gift from him and Grandpa George, once again showing his desperate need for attention. As an aside, I bet it was George who bought the chocolate and he was intending to give it to Charlie himself, but Joe forced him to include him on the gift as well.
GRANDPA JOE: Open it, Charlie. Let's see that Golden Ticket!
CHARLIE: Wouldn't that be fantastic?
MRS. BUCKET: It's not fair to raise his hopes.
GRANDPA JOE: Never mind. Go on, open it, Charlie. I want to see that gold!
MRS. BUCKET: Stop it, Dad.
CHARLIE: I've got the same chance as anybody else, haven't I?
GRANDPA JOE: You've got more, Charlie, because you want it more! Go on, open it!
Once again Grandpa Joe is giving Charlie unrealistic expectations about finding the golden ticket. It’s so egregious that even Mrs. Bucket calls him out on it. Also, his line about Charlie having more of a chance because he wants it more is yet another bad lesson for his grandson. Instead of telling Charlie that he needs to work hard to get what he wants in life, he says that all he has to do is “want it” more than others.
CHARLIE: Here goes… I got it!
GRANDPA JOE: Where? Where?
GRANDMA JOSEPHINE: Let's see!
CHARLIE: Fooled you, didn't I. You thought I really had it.
GRANDPA JOE: Never mind, Charlie. You'll find one.
CHARLIE: Here, everybody have a bite.
GRANDPA JOE: No no no, you eat it.
Even after seeing how let down Charlie is, Grandpa Joe continues to insist that he will find a golden ticket eventually, thus keeping his false hope alive and ensuring further disappointment. And by now it seems clear that Grandpa Joe is doing this intentionally. He must have known that Charlie wouldn’t find it this time, because it was a moon pie sort of thing instead of a regular Wonka bar. Even so, he continued to get Charlie’s hopes up because he apparently derives sadistic pleasure from seeing his grandson’s anguish.
CHARLIE: Why'd you wake me up, Grandpa? Is something wrong? (Grandpa pulls out a Wonka bar) Grandpa, that money was for tobacco!
GRANDPA JOE: I told you, Charlie, I've given it up. Go on, open it! One ticket left. Now let's see some of that gold!
CHARLIE: No, you do it. I can't.
GRANDPA JOE: Something tells me we're gonna be lucky this time! I've got a funny feeling inside. Which end shall I open first?
CHARLIE: That end. Just a tiny bit.
GRANDPA JOE: Like this?
CHARLIE: Now a bit more.
GRANDPA JOE: You finish it; I can't.
CHARLIE: No, Grandpa, you do it.
GRANDPA JOE: All right, here goes. (He opens the wrapper)
CHARLIE: You know… I bet those Golden Tickets make the chocolate taste terrible.
That sick bastard just can’t get enough of seeing Charlie’s disappointment, so he contrived another situation to squeeze every last drop of hope he can out of the poor boy. And he makes sure to build up the anticipation throughout this scene so Charlie’s hopes fall from an even greater height.
PARAGUAY REPORTER (on TV): Here is the most recent picture of Alberto the happy finder, the man who has finally put an end to Wonkamania for all the world.
GRANDPA JOE: Turn it off. Well, that's that. No more Golden Tickets.
GRANDMA JOSEPHINE: A lot of rubbish, the whole thing.
GRANDPA JOE: Not to Charlie it wasn't. A little boy's got to have something in this world to hope for. What's he got to hope for now?
GRANDMA GEORGINA: Who's going to tell him?
MRS. BUCKET: Let's not wake him. He'll find out soon enough.
GRANDPA JOE: Yeah, let him sleep. Let him have one last dream.
Of course we know the real reason Grandpa Joe is upset here is because he can no longer dash Charlie’s hopes with the prospect of finding a golden ticket.
Now, before I proceed I’d like to address that I’m going to be making a couple of exceptions for the next scene (Charlie bringing home the golden ticket), in that I’m not going to include every spoken line by Grandpa Joe. The first instance is when he’s reading off the golden ticket, because those aren’t really his words anyway. And the next is the “I’ve Got a Golden Ticket” song; I’ll still comment on the content of the song, but I don’t feel like it’s necessary to include all the lyrics here word for word. Anyway, moving forward:
CHARLIE: Look, everyone, look, I've got it! The fifth Golden Ticket is mine!
GRANDPA JOE: You're pulling our legs, Charlie! There aren't any more Golden Tickets.
Even though Charlie has always shown himself to be an honest and sincere child, Grandpa Joe doesn’t even entertain the thought that his grandson is telling the truth until he sees the ticket up close.
CHARLIE: Grandpa? It says I can take somebody with me. I wish you could go.
GRANDPA JOE: (struggling to get out of bed) Charlie. (Charlie helps him) Ah, that's good. Now help me up. (He stands, then falls back on the bed) Oh!
CHARLIE: Are you okay?
GRANDPA JOE: Oh yeah, I'm fine, Charlie. (He stands up and stumbles)
And it’s here where Grandpa Joe’s deception is finally laid bare. Here we see that he was playing his family for fools for the past 20 years, laying in bed day in and day out despite being perfectly capable of getting up and helping out at any moment. His own grandson, a child, had to work so that they wouldn’t starve, but not even this would spur him from his lethargy. In this scene, he’s trying to make it seem like a struggle to get up to give credence to his lie, but we all know the truth.
GRANDPA JOE: Look at me! Look at me! Up and about… I haven't done this in twenty years.
Here Grandpa Joe has dropped all pretense and is now gloating to his family. He’s demanding that they look at him standing there, rubbing it in their faces that he was able to deceive them for the past two decades and coast by while they toiled away instead.
And now we have the infamous golden ticket song. Even the title of the song, “I’ve Got a Golden Ticket,” shows what a selfish bastard Grandpa Joe is. He professes multiple times that he has a golden ticket, even though Charlie found the ticket by himself, making it rightfully his. And during the song, Grandpa Joe is continuing to gloat, telling everyone to “watch his speed” as he jets around the room with ease. The asshole is even jumping around and kicking his heels together, things that should be impossible for a man who was allegedly bedridden for 20 years (meaning he likely snuck out on occasion to engage in all kinds of debauchery). This whole song and dance routine is a testament to how self-centered and full of shit Grandpa Joe really is.
MRS. BUCKET: Stop! It says the first of October; that's tomorrow!
GRANDPA JOE: Jumping Crocodiles, Charlie! We've got a lot to do. Comb your hair, wash your face, polish your shoes, and brush your--
MRS. BUCKET: I'll take care of everything, Dad.
GRANDPA JOE: We don't have too much time.
Here Grandpa Joe has the nerve to say that Charlie needs to get ready, when he’s the one standing there in pajamas covered in his own piss and shit.
CHARLIE: I don't believe it. We did it; we're actually going in.
GRANDPA JOE: We're going to see the greatest of them all: Mr. Willy Wonka!
Grandpa Joe makes sure to hype up Wonka, despite the fact that nobody’s seen or heard from the man in years. He’s doing this because he sees another opportunity to raise Charlie’s expectations and then disappoint him again, in the event that Wonka doesn’t live up to the legend.
CHARLIE: What about me, Grandpa?
GRANDPA JOE: Sign away, Charlie; we got nothing to lose!
When the kids are told to sign an obviously sketchy contract, Grandpa Joe doesn’t hesitate at all and urges Charlie to go through with it. The other parental figures in the group aren’t exactly saints, but they at least expressed some reservations about the situation first. Grandpa Joe doesn’t give a shit though, just as long as he gets access to the factory. And the way he words it, that they have “nothing to lose,” implies that Charlie’s well-being literally means nothing to him.
VIOLET: A chocolate river!
GRANDPA JOE: That's the most fantastic thing I've ever seen!
And to drive home the previous point even further, Grandpa Joe asserts that the greatest thing he’s ever seen is not his wife, not his daughter, not even his own grandson standing next to him; it’s a vat of chocolate syrup.
CHARLIE: Grandpa, look over there across the river! They're little men!
GRANDPA JOE: Jumping Crocodiles, Charlie! Now we know who makes the chocolate.
Here Charlie loudly expresses shock upon seeing the Oompa Loompas. This reaction is somewhat insensitive since the Oompa Loompas are clearly a sentient race, but it can be forgiven since he’s just a child. This would have been a good opportunity for Grandpa Joe to teach Charlie that you should not treat others rudely based on the way they look, but instead he reinforces Charlie’s behavior by expressing the same kind of bewilderment.
CHARLIE: Grandpa, look at Augustus.
GRANDPA JOE: Don't worry, he can't drink it all.
When Augustus is drinking chocolate from the river with his bare hands, Grandpa Joe just makes a facetious comment, dismissing the danger of contaminating food meant for mass distribution, and the danger to the boy himself for being so near the river’s edge.
GRANDPA JOE: Quick, Charlie, here! (passes lollipop)
CHARLIE: Quick, Augustus, grab this!
Here Grandpa Joe proves to be even more ineffective in this situation, giving Charlie a giant lollipop for Augustus to grab, even though there’s clearly no good place to grab the thing. Sure enough, it doesn’t help in the slightest.
AUGUSTUS: (stuck in the pipe) Heeelllp! Heeelllp!
VIOLET: He's blocking all the chocolate!
GRANDPA JOE: Well, what happens now?
While everyone else is panicking about the dire situation Augustus is in, Grandpa Joe just expresses idle curiosity about what will happen next, almost as if he were watching a play instead of a child in mortal danger.
CHARLIE: He'll never get out!
GRANDPA JOE: Yes, he will, Charlie. Watch. Remember you once asked me how a bullet comes out of a gun?
Instead of calmly reassuring Charlie, who is clearly very distressed about this whole situation, Grandpa Joe decides to come up with a violent metaphor to give the scene an even more dangerous context.
CHARLIE: Wow, what a boat.
GRANDPA JOE: Ohhhh, looks good enough to eat!
At first glance this seems like an innocent remark, but it’s actually a subtle jab at Augustus, who just went through a harrowing experience due to his overzealous eating. Grandpa Joe is mocking the boy by pretending he wants to eat everything in sight too.
MR. SALT: Uh, ladies first, and that means Veruca.
GRANDPA JOE: If she's a lady, I'm a Vermicious Knid.
Yeah, Veruca’s a spoiled brat, but Grandpa Joe just straight up insulted a child within earshot of her father. He’s lucky Mr. Salt didn’t knock him on his ass.
VERUCA: Hey, Daddy, I want a boat like this. A beautiful paddle boat, that's what I want.
GRANDPA JOE: What she wants is a good kick in the pants.
As if his previous slight wasn’t enough, Grandpa Joe is now advocating violence against Veruca. I shudder to think what Charlie’s childhood must have been like.
CHARLIE: This is kind of strange...
GRANDPA JOE: Yeah, strange, Charlie, but it's fun! Ha ha!
While everyone else watches in horror, that sick bastard Grandpa Joe delights in the disturbing images flashing by, which include a chicken getting its head cut off and a millipede crawling across a man’s face. This scene clearly depicts what a deranged individual Grandpa Joe is.
CHARLIE: (reacting when Slugworth's face appears on the wall) Grandpa!
GRANDPA JOE: It couldn't be.
Grandpa Joe denies seeing what was clearly an image of Slugworth in the tunnel, showing Charlie that it’s better to ignore your fears instead of confronting them.
WONKA: Now remember, no messing about. No touching, no tasting, no telling.
GRANDPA JOE: No telling what?
Instead of simply accepting Wonka’s instruction, Grandpa Joe obstinately questions him about it. This is his factory Joe, he makes the rules.
GRANDPA JOE: Inventing room? It looks more like a Turkish bath to me.
I suspect the reason Grandpa Joe is familiar with Turkish baths is because he enjoys ogling at nearly nude strangers.
WONKA: (handing out gobstoppers) One for you, and one for you, and one for you.
GRANDPA JOE: Eh, what about Charlie?
This may seem like a grandfather just trying to make sure his grandson is included, but Grandpa Joe only cares about Charlie getting the gobstopper because he knows he can sell it to Slugworth, as he alludes to later in the movie.
CHARLIE: Why doesn't she listen to Mr. Wonka?
GRANDPA JOE: Because, Charlie, she's a nitwit.
There Joe goes again, lobbing insults at children. This guy really hates kids apparently.
MR. BEAUREGARDE: Violet, what are you doing now!? You're blowing up!
VIOLET: I feel funny.
GRANDPA JOE: I'm not surprised.
Again, Grandpa Joe responds to a very serious situation with a flippant remark. This child’s life is very clearly in danger, but he doesn’t care in the slightest.
Alright, I’m gonna make another exception at this point, because next we have the infamous Fizzy Lifting Drinks scene. This is a long back-and-forth between Charlie and Grandpa Joe, and a list of every line from Joe would essentially be the entire transcript of the scene. With that said, I feel like it makes more sense to just touch on the major points. The entire debacle is Joe’s fault anyway, so all his dialogue here inherently ties back to his poor decision.
First of all, Grandpa Joe tells Charlie that they should take a drink because “nobody’s watching,” even after Wonka explicitly told them not to. Grandpa Joe is setting yet another bad example for Charlie, showing him that it’s alright to break the rules as long as no one is around to see you do it. After they take a drink and start floating up, Grandpa Joe laments that Wonka will be angry with them, saying “We’re in big trouble!” It’s totally unfair to lump Charlie in with him here, since it was Grandpa Joe who pressured him to drink it in the first place. By now it’s clear that this was a bad idea, but Grandpa Joe decides to join Charlie in fooling around instead of trying to find a way back down. And sure enough, soon they find themselves floating towards the fan. Rather than staying level-headed and trying to think of a solution rationally, Grandpa Joe starts screaming that Charlie will be “chopped into ribbons.” Charlie already understands the danger he’s in, so this only serves to panic the poor boy even further. The only reason they’re saved is because Grandpa Joe is a bloated gasbag, and he happened to let out a disgusting belch right at that moment. And finally, at the end of this fiasco, Grandpa Joe tells Charlie, “From now on, we keep our feet on the ground.” Once again he’s implying that Charlie was complicit in this as well, when really he should be apologizing for nearly getting his grandson killed. Anyway, moving on:
WONKA: The Eggdicator. The Eggdicator can tell the difference between a good egg and a bad egg. If it's a good egg, it's shined up and shipped out all over the world. But if it's a bad egg… down the chute.
GRANDPA JOE: It's an educated Eggdicator.
Thanks Joe, Wonka literally just told us what it is. What a great help you are.
GRANDPA JOE: Well, Mr. Salt finally got what he wanted.
CHARLIE: What's that?
GRANDPA JOE: Veruca went first.
God damn, this one is bad. There’s a very strong chance that Veruca and Mr. Salt just fell to their deaths, and Grandpa Joe makes an extremely tasteless joke about it. I don’t care how horrible Veruca was, this sort of comment is really uncalled for.
GRANDPA JOE: Mr. Wonka, what's that they're filling it up with?
WONKA: Oh, ginger ale, ginger pop, ginger beer, beer bubbles, bubble-ade, bubble cola, double cola, double bubble burp-a-cola, and all the crazy carbonated stuff that tickles your nose. Few people realize what tremendous power there is in one of those things.
GRANDPA JOE: Sorry I asked.
First of all, I suspect that Grandpa Joe’s whole reason for asking this question was to gain more information to sell to Slugworth later on. And when Wonka gives him a perfectly valid answer, that ungrateful prick Grandpa Joe decides to complain about it for no good reason.
CHARLIE: Is this gonna go fast, Grandpa?
GRANDPA JOE: It should, Charlie. It's got more gas in it than a politician!
Leave it to Grandpa Joe to bring up politics in a totally unrelated situation and make everyone uncomfortable.
GRANDPA JOE: Finest bath I've had in twenty years!
God, I don’t doubt it. This is of course because Grandpa Joe hardly ever bathed during the time he was “bedridden,” at the most getting reluctant sponge baths from Mrs. Bucket.
MRS. TEEVEE: It's unbelievable.
GRANDPA JOE: It's a miracle.
MIKE: It's a TV dinner.
WONKA: It's Wonkavision.
GRANDPA JOE: It could change the world.
Grandpa Joe is so impressed with Wonkavision that I’m sure this will be another trade secret he’ll sell to Slugworth.
MRS. TEEVEE: Mike! Where are you?
GRANDPA JOE: He's up there, in a million pieces!
Mrs. Teevee is understandably very distraught by the disappearance of her son, so Grandpa Joe describes him as being broken up in a million pieces, which surely makes the boy’s mother even more worried.
GRANDPA JOE: Our little group is getting smaller by the minute.
Grandpa Joe just saw four children get seriously maimed or die, and all he does is make a lighthearted observation that their group is smaller than it was before. That cold-hearted bastard shows no sympathy for their families, which I guess makes sense considering how little he cares about his own.
CHARLIE: Mr. Wonka, what's gonna happen to the other kids? Augustus, Veruca?
WONKA: My dear boy, I promise you they'll be quite all right. When they leave here, they'll be completely restored to their normal, terrible old selves. But maybe they'll be a little bit wiser for the wear. Anyway, don't worry about them.
GRANDPA JOE: Eh, what do we do now, Mr. Wonka?
Wonka claims that the children will be alright after all, but this seems like a really dubious claim after what we saw happen to them. A responsible adult would question him even further about it, but Grandpa Joe doesn’t give a shit; he’s only interested in what’s coming next for him.
CHARLIE: What happened? Did we do something wrong?
GRANDPA JOE: I don't know, Charlie. But I'm gonna find out.
Grandpa Joe knows full well that they did do something wrong, but he decides to feign ignorance and question Wonka about it anyway.
GRANDPA JOE: Mr. Wonka?
WONKA: I am extraordinarily busy, sir.
GRANDPA JOE: I just wanted to ask about the chocolate. The lifetime supply of chocolate, for Charlie. When does he get it?
Notice how Grandpa Joe mentions Charlie almost as an afterthought here. He really just wants the chocolate for himself, but he throws Charlie’s name in there at the end to make it seem like he’s advocating for his grandson.
WONKA: He doesn't.
GRANDPA JOE: Why not?
WONKA: Because he broke the rules.
GRANDPA JOE: What rules? We didn't see any rules, did we, Charlie?
That’s rich, Grandpa Joe is acting like he didn’t see a giant contract full of rules just hours earlier. He was the one who urged Charlie to sign the damn thing in the first place.
GRANDPA JOE: You're a crook! You're a cheat and a swindler! That's what you are. How can you do a thing like this? Build up a little boy's hopes and then smash all his dreams to pieces. You're an inhuman monster!
Wonka gives Grandpa Joe a perfectly reasonable explanation for why Charlie doesn’t get the chocolate: he signed a legally binding contract, and he broke the terms of that contract. It’s cut and dry. But Grandpa Joe decides to throw a tantrum about it instead of accepting responsibility for his actions. Remember, he was the one who told Charlie to break the rules in the first place. Also, he admonishes Wonka for building up Charlie’s hopes and then smashing them, when he was guilty of the same thing all those times he got Charlie’s hopes up about finding the golden ticket. It’s Joe who’s the real monster here.
GRANDPA JOE: Come on, Charlie, let's get out of here. I'll get even with him if it's the last thing I ever do. If Slugworth wants a Gobstopper, he'll get one.
Wonka’s actions are perfectly within his rights, but since Grandpa Joe doesn’t like it, he decides he’s going to “get even” like a petulant child and proudly announces his plan to commit corporate espionage.
WONKA: I had to test you, Charlie. And you passed the test. You won!
GRANDPA JOE: Won what?
Of course Grandpa Joe’s immediate response to this turn of events is to ask what he’s going to get out of it.
WONKA: This way please. We'll take the Wonkavator. Step in, Charlie. Grandpa Joe, sir. This is the Great Glass Wonkavator.
GRANDPA JOE: It's an elevator.
WONKA: It's a Wonkavator.
While everyone else is excited about Charlie winning the grand prize, that buzzkill Grandpa Joe decides to argue with Wonka about the name of the man’s own machine.
GRANDPA JOE: You mean we're going... ?
WONKA: Up and out!
GRANDPA JOE: But this roof is made of glass. It'll shatter into a thousand pieces. We'll be cut to ribbons!
Grandpa Joe has been riding Wonka’s various contraptions all day at no harm to himself, so it stands to reason that this one is perfectly safe too. Yet he decides to describe an unlikely danger that will only serve to frighten his grandson.
GRANDPA JOE: You did it, Mr. Wonka, congratulations!
Grandpa Joe congratulating Wonka here is just him trying to kiss ass after his outburst earlier. He just wants to get back into Wonka’s good graces so he can try getting even more out of the deal.
CHARLIE: Grandpa, our town looks so pretty from up here.
GRANDPA JOE: Yeah, look over here, Charlie. I think I see our house.
CHARLIE: Wow.
GRANDPA JOE: It really looks beautiful.
Self-centered Grandpa Joe has an amazing vista below him, but he only cares about spotting where he lives. It’s probably because he can't wait to get back into that bed.
WONKA: I'm very pleased to hear you say that, because I'm giving it to you. That's all right, isn't it?
GRANDPA JOE: You're giving Charlie the--?
Grandpa Joe isn’t asking for clarification here, he’s questioning why it’s Charlie who gets the factory instead of him.
WONKA: That's right. So the factory's yours, Charlie; you can move in immediately.
GRANDPA JOE: And me?
Grandpa Joe doesn’t spare a thought about what will happen to the rest of the family. His only concern is whether or not he can move to the factory. The rest of them could go on living in that shitty house with nothing to eat but cabbage water for all he cares, just as long as he gets to live in luxury.
And there we have it. We’re finally finished with our breakdown of Grandpa Joe’s lines. If you actually read this all the way through, kudos to you. I hope I was able to point out some things you hadn't noticed before. At the very least, I think I’ve demonstrated how literally everything Grandpa Joe says and does reinforces what a terrible person he is. Never before has there existed such a greedy, lazy, manipulative, self-serving sack of shit.
TL;DR: Fuck Grandpa Joe
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2020.10.27 04:09 831hero Spy nude

So I just moved into a house with my fiancé. She like to be nude in the garden and water plants, basically be nude anytime inside or out in the backyard.
I want to be comfortable with my body and embrace nudism as well. The thing that makes me feel uneasy is our neighbors as they live next door behind us on a slope of a hill. We have trees that mostly block the sight of us but I feel a certain type of way thinking that if our neighbors find out, then they may just sneakily spy on my fiancé being nude.
We’ve been to a nude beach together and the vibe I get at a social nude beach is good. No one cares about being nude, just be who you are. In this case though, I don’t know my neighbors.
What can I do to overcome this feeling, about this situation or fear I have? Is there anything I can do if it is suspected my neighbors are indeed spying and recording us or my fiancé? Has anyone else dealt with this before?
It would be much appreciated for any input by people who have experienced this with their neighbors or getting over the feeling of anxiety. Anything helps. Thank you.
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