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2020.10.25 03:31 BillCoffe139 Father and daughter secret sex

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2020.10.25 03:30 CurrentRoster Father and daughter secret sex

Tony: dies in that restaurant. His wake makes global news and a bigv gigantic portrait of Tony hangs in his house
Artie: still doing his restaurant or retired, most likely was seriously depressed if Tony dies. Made up with Benny at Tony’s wake.
Charmaine: still wanting her muzzle rubbed and possibly is still together with Artie. Possibly had restaurant renovations
Benny Fazio: either underboss or killed for unknown reason. Sounds weird for him to be boss but yeah. But I’m mostly leaning on killed for unknown reason.
AJ: rises up as a screenwriter, writes a spec and a bible. received a Writers Guild Award for Best Episodic Comedy nomination for writing the pilot episode of his comedy-drama tv series entitled “The Passion”. Unfortunately, the shows only Emmy nomination was for Best Sound Editing. Season 2 received a highly mixed reception and lower viewership, getting cancelled by Fox. I doubt he ever married. He gives up being a writer and does something else — becomes employed at Ramsey Sports and Outdoors, which was taken over by Little Paulie after Tony’s demise. He receives another panic attack while learning how to barbecue and sees another therapist — Dr Elliot K. AJ tries to avenge his father’s death by bringing a knife on him every other day. No luck yet, the dude’s been trying for 12 years. He lives in the safe house from the series finale.
Meadow: broke up with Pat after getting cheated on, dates another guy and gets broken up by him. Dates another guy, breaks up with him after being cheated on. Completely gives up on dating men and secretly becomes a lesbian. Having hot sex with Hunter Or some random friend. Most likely has a high ranking position in law like managing partner. Lives in Whitecaps house. 24/31 of her cases were a success.
Paulie: most likely died of old age/health problems 3 years after Tony. He died at a sit down, discussing a Getrimano crime family deal on how they’d split the profits of a joint business. His last words were: “he he” when Benny Fazio made a joke. Buried beside his “mother” and had a wake. Not a “we’re sorry for your loss” wake. More of a “we’re here for the manicott and gabagool” wake. Long live Grandpa Munster.
Silvio: survived the gunshots miraculously and has a big celebration at the Bing. Walks with a semi-noticeable limp. assumes the role of boss and doesn’t go well at first but gets better as he continues. He later gets a lot more mobsters and the family grows again. A new crime family forms in a neighboring city called the Getrimano family. Originally wanting to assume full control, thinking about a war, they settle their differences before any violence occurs and form an alliance sharing the streets of Jersey. It was Benny’s idea for a war and Silvio agreed, until Silvio calmed down the situation (as he always does).
Melfi: still being melfi. Still drinks wine at dinners, causing commotion. Feels guilty about Tony’s death after reading it in the papers, in the papers. Her husband chuckles at Tony’s death. Diagnosed with breast cancer in 2017. Also, she lives next door to Blanca’s brother.
Finn: I know he’s a minor character but I hope he escaped with Felicia and lived happily ever after.
Carlo Gervasi: killed by Benny Fazio and Little Paulie on orders from Paulie for turning into an informant, although he didn’t testify due to Tony dying. Clean hit, Benny and little Paulie ate burgers before it.
Junior: dies around 5 months after Paulie dies. Was unsuccessful in knowing where his money was, couldn’t give it to Bobby’s kids. His last words were: “did RFK get that cash? We used to play catch all the time in the....”
Jason Gervasi: did the crime, serving the time. Has a semi-good reputation because a New York crime family consigliere named Ignacio Ventimiglia is incarcerated and they have a decent friendship. But not for long....
Irina: She dates a tan Italian-American hunk. She later leaves him after realizing he’s not a mobster who’d support her needs. She flies back to Russia and is now their official whore.
Father Phil Intintola: after hearing about Tony’s death, he makes a eulogy at his funeral. He visits Carmela more than other people do. Carm is suspicious of Phil trying to get at her but dismisses that idea. He actually is though....
Janice: the ugly hag ends up arrested for some dumb shit. I guess sucking a cock in public maybe. Sil couldn’t get a proper attorney due to scheduling conflicts in the shipment of firearms. so the kids of Bobby are taken under the wing of Rosalie aprile. The firearms were for the turf war between the Getrimano family. But since that war never happened, Sil could have payed full attention to Janice and she got arrested for no reason.
Georgie Santorelli: becomes an informant after being arrested for public nudity (he was inebriated screaming “Fuck Jersey Nigga” repeatedly). In fact, the only informant the FBI was able to help survive. unfortunately for the feds, George could only give a few details of the Dante crime family (yep, changed the namesake). His snitching only led to the arrest of Patsy Parisi. He ended up in witness protection, lost a bunch of weight by eating egg noodles and ketchup. Lives next to Finn and Felicia.
Kelli Lombardo-Moltisanti: doesn’t re-marry. She is still financially supported by Silvio. Her daughter did finish 4th Grade, B- minus average. Kelli receives a threatening phone call by a Getrimano family capo. This was when they were gonna start a war, which didn’t occur.
Walden Belfiore: Becomes a capo, his crew has a hand in the fish market. Walden’s sister’s husband, Larry Cooper, becomes the new front operator for the Bada Bing, following the disappearance of informant Georgie S. He doesn’t get with buckets but Larry is the weak, loud type.
Patsy Parisi: arrested due to Georgie’s little information, forms an alliance with Ignacio. Patsy convinces him to turn on Jason Gervasi, they both pull an Oz by slipping glass in Jason’s food for a week until Jason dies from internal hemorrhaging. Patsy and Ignacio blamed on two black Gus and they rule the prison together.
Rosalie: Found a tan Italian-American hunk who helps her in a lot of things, Irina’s lover. Forms a close bond with Bobby’s kids, adopting them. Only visits Janice once a month. She’s happy.
Agent Harris: still banging that hot agent. They get married and whatnot. He wants to investigate the possible Getrimano-Dante turf war but is stuck in terrorism unit. He one day, while grocery shopping, sees an overweight black bald man named Huell. He doesn’t think much of it.
Jason Parisi: becomes the new Jackie Jr. Killed by Soprano crime family associate Umberto “Bertie Boy” Mensiano on orders from Silvio Dante for hijacking a truck. Jason thought the truck was for the Getrimano family, but was actually for the Dante crime family. Mensiano made his bones with that murder, becoming a member of the Belfiore crew as a soldier.
Carmela: finds another man if Tony was killed. But years later after his death, as she’d be emotionally destroyed to date another man after a few months or something. Gets her life together and focuses on real estate fully, partnering with Tony’s other sister Barbra in investing in houses. Gets rid of the water in the pool. She one day finds a camera under the living room couch while cleaning, consisting of footage from her father’s birthday barbecue. It’S a close up footage of her ass and she still doesn’t know who did it.
That’s all I can muster out.
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2020.10.23 19:43 NutleyHow Father and daughter secret sex

Hello everybody, hope you're doing okay out there, stay strong.
Originally, i just wanted to check in real quick, but this developed into a wall of text, and i apologize for that in advance. But, after probably destroying my family, it's actually kind of therapeutical. And if my mistakes of the past can help just one person, it was worth it.
Also please excuse any spelling or syntax errors, i'm an advanced english speaker but its not my first language.
So here it goes:
I'm currently getting clean for the second time in my life. I've smoked all through school and college, but stopped when i lost my drivers license in 2009. It wasn't that hard, because the process involved regular tests and at the end, after one year sober, there was a big reward: Driving my car again. So it worked.
Why i actually started smoking at all around the age of 14 is something i will hopefully talk through with a therapist in the next months. I was the oldest of three brothers, my father was usually at work, my mom was in over her head. I suspect my drug use had something to do with the fact that i only remember her screaming or beating me. That more than once she told me she'd better gotten rid of me in the hospital and kept the afterbirth instead. Maybe it was my father hitting me so hard he broke heavy wooden cloth hangers on my back. That one time, when i was crying on the floor afterwards, he kicked me in the stomach so vicious i was shitting blood and had to go to the hospital. "Why is blood in his stool?" the doctor asked. "Because i kicked him in the stomach" my father said, quietly. No alarms were raised, nobody gave a damn. I was maybe 11 at that time. For the outside world, we were the perfect family, with gifted children. It's just a guess, but maybe it all started there.
Anyway, after smoking all through my teenage years and a large part of university, i had a bad experience with weed in 2009 and decided to stop and get my life on track. It was a sunny day and i felt really good, sober. Then i smoked a joint with a friend, but it was way too much and very potent stuff. I felt horrible and decided to give it a try, but the process to get my drivers license back helped a lot to stay on track, because it involved regular testing. I stayed clean from 2009 to 2015, six years, and boy, those were amazing years: Met my wife, started studying in earnest, went travelling. I did sports and when i look at pictures from that time, all i see is a well trained young man with a clean conscience. But at the same time, i would have horrible nightmares, even after years being clean. They were always similar: Somehow i got into posession of a large quantity of green, to "look over it" or something, and then i would get weak. I'd wake up soaked in cold sweat, and in those moments between sleep and being awake there was this horrible thought: "Did i relapse?"
But i didn't. I was out of the game. Friends would call me after years, asking if i "knew anyone" to "help them out" but all i could say was "I can't help you. I don't know anyone." And it was the truth. There were no points of contact with weed in my life.
Then, in 2014, my first daughter was born. In hindsight, that was the moment everything went to shit. Not because of her, of course, but because of what it set in motion. I was in my last semester, only one more exam, then i'd finally finish that stupid place they call university. Its a bubble, really, and i hated it but after that much time invested, i thought i might as well finish it.
Suddenly being a father, and with only one more exam to go, i looked for a job to make some money. Provide. I deeply regret the choices i made afterwards.
The best payed job available was being a caretaker for a guy in a wheelchair. He was paralyzed on one side, and i would usually start my shift in the afternoon, get him ready for bed, then sleep in a seperate room on standby. What i didn't know in the beginning was that a large part of the job involved rolling joints. He smoked about 10 during the day, since according to him it was the only thing that helped against his spasticity. Uncontrollable shaking, basically.
Looking back, i was arrogant to believe that job was right for me, considering my history with weed. But, being so sure that part of my life was over, i told him: "Man, you've got just the right guy, i used to smoke and can roll 'em like a machine." I told everybody who didn't climb a tree in three seconds that these idiots pay me 20 bucks an hour to roll joints and watch TV. The fact that i was so open about it tells me how sure i was nothing would happen. People who knew me voiced their concerns, but i brushed them off. I was a different person now, i told myself. No way i could relapse, right?
But it was like making a dry alcoholic a bartender, then leaving him alone behind the bar. A usual shift would end with him giving me a large amount of weed and the instruction "Can you roll me 20 joints? See you tomorrow" before he went to bed, masturbating with some sort of device. Poor fella, but i kinda liked him. Of course, that was before i knew what kind of videos he was watching while doing it.
When i was done rolling, there was always a little left. After a few weeks, i started taking the leftovers with me, giving them to a friend. It was like a game, but looking back, i was testing my limits. He had huge amounts at home, so he never noticed.
We got to know each other better over the following months. Then, one day in February 2015, we were talking about sex, just two guys talking about women. He asked me what kind of women i liked. "Slim with really big tits", i said, basically describing my wife. He seemed disappointed. "I like little girls under the age of ten", he said, but i thought i misheard (he had trouble speaking), so i asked him: "And you? What do you like?" He goes: "I just told you".
It hit me like a hammer. Here i was, father of a little girl, washing and supporting a dude who, like an excuse, told me he was actually happy to be paralyzed, because he couldn't act on his urges. He meant rape. Like he wanted a medal for that.
That night, i relapsed. Outside, it was dark, cold and rainy. I was sitting in his shitty appartement, away from my wife and baby, and i missed them. I realized that the guy i got to know and that i even kinda liked was really depraved. And in front of me, there was a big bag of weed, papers, and tips. And i thought "F*** this guy, i'm gonna smoke a little of his stuff. I've been clean so long, it's not a problem"
But it spiralled out of control so quick. As a pedophile, to me, he was fair game. Every shift i would steal one or two grams from him, and his sexual disfunction was my excuse to do that. I continued to do my chores, but from that day, i treated him differently. No more friendly words, less gentle, not a single thing outside my contract and i would not talk with him about my family. Soon after that i quit, asking for a different client. But before that i made contact with his dealer. I was hooked again.
Fast forward five years of daily smoking, until September 2020. For the first three years, it was only in the evening, when everyone was in bed. I'd walk the last round with the dog, smoke a joint, then sit on the computer gaming until early in the morning. It was like i never stopped, like i was that slacker teenager again.
The last two years, it got so far that i realized i might have an addiction. I'd smoke before going to work or during lunch breaks. I'd sneak away at family gatherings, funerals, weddings. I tried to stop many times, delete the number of my dealers. But it never worked. After two days i would restore my contacts (thank you google) and make another order.
Nobody knew anything, so the constant lies put a strain on my relationship. I'm bad at keeping secrets, so she'd find papers or tips from time to time, asking me if i smoke again. I denied, lied, played it down. Slowly, i killed her trust in me, and without trust, a relationship dies. Sometimes it felt that my stoned self maybe even wanted it all go down the drain, so i could finally smoke and game in peace.
And it did. Last month, the tension that had built up over the years exploded in one, heavy fight. There was no violence or bad words, but after the fight she told me she couldn't go on like this. And i understand her: Who wants to be with a moody asshole? A guy that could be the nicest person in the morning, or a really mean bastard, but you never know before he wakes up? Who would sleep in, miss appointments, forget things? I'd done the same in her position.
Although i kind of expected that day to come, it was the biggest shock of my life when it finally came mid-september. We've been together for 11 years, have two kids, and i can honestly say i'd planned to spend the rest of my life with her.
But every crisis is a chance: After a few days in a high stupor, without eating, dropping my weight to 78 Kilos at 1,90m, i decided it was enough. The thought of "Why go on?" was replaced with another thought, a defiant side i never knew i had: "They don't break you that easy. If they want a fight, i'm gonna give them a fight" ("They" being no particular person, more like the world in general)
So October 3rd, one day before my daughters birthday, was the last time i smoked. Just crumbs i had left. I still have my dealers number, i have money in my pocket, but i don't call. Every bit of romanticized view on weed, every bit of nostalgia has been replaced with hate. Hate on the substance that almost ruined my life. Hate about what it did, what i did, to my little family. I can't explain it, and i dont expect anyone to believe me, but the urge is gone. The thoughts are gone. I waited years for this moment and it took almost breaking me for it to happen. It's a horrible thing, but maybe i needed that brutal wake-up call.
Now, i dont want to look back, just forward. I'm looking for an appartement close to our house, so i can be there for my kids and support their mother. The kids are my number one priority now, luckily they are too young to understand what happened. Do i wish to sit beside my wife as an old man, laughing about this time? Sure. Can i have a fulfilling life without her, maybe even one day loving another person and be loved again? Also sure. It took me a while to realize that.
And it feels so good! I've gained weight again in the past weeks, and it feels like my batteries are finally full, not running at 60% all the time. Before, i was only hunting for moments of "doing nothing", now i experience that actually "doing things" gives you deep satisfaction. She'd went on a three week holiday with the kids, to get some distance between us, and i've used that time to work on the house, doing little repairs, making the kids room really nice. I've also started organizing my life, even helping friends organizing theirs. It's so much easier without weed. I've started running, doing push-ups, eating like a maniac. Slowly, i start to see myself in the mirror again, my shoulders growing wider, my teeth getting whiter, my thoughts not scattered all the time, but focused like a laser beam. I'm not doing that to win her back. I do it for me. Finally.
I didn't stop smoking weed. I freed myself from it.
The best metaphor i can think of is that before, my life felt like driving with the handbrakes on. Sure, you can move from A to B, but it's slow, loud, and you know deep inside it's not supposed to be like that. Now i feel like a Tiger, ready to pounce. Hungry, driven, relentless. It's a good feeling. I never want to be that other person again.
The next step, obviously, is seeking therapy. There is a reason i started to smoke and there is a reason that after almost six years, it only took the availability of the drug and the excuse of the owner being a dirtbag to start smoking again. I actually look forward to analyze that with the help of a professional, helping me understand myself and the decisions i made. Today i got the results of my test: There are, even after 20 days, still traces of THC it in my system. Faint, almost at the threshold of "nothing", but still there. Time to go running again, sweating the last molecules out. I will never let it get back inside my system again. For the first time in my life, i have no doubts about that.
So, this is probably the moment for some sort of moral in this story, i doubt anybody read that far anway. But for the slim chance anyone did, and because it would make me happy if i can help just one person, i will try to summarize my mistakes or what helped me.

  1. For the first time, i was honest to myself and the people around me. For years i smoked and everyone thought i was still clean. I was too ashamed to tell them the truth. Now, for the first time i told my parents (broken people, still my parents), my brothers, my clostest friends and my wife. It's a big step and i disappointed a lot of people. But its much easier if everyone is on the same page. Keeping it as a secret only made it worse.
  2. Seeking professional help, because seeking help when you really need it is a sign of strength, not a weakness. There are people whose job it is to help people get back on track. They can help finding therapists or, if needed, a stationary detox period in specialized facilities.
  3. I ackknowledged its an addiction. Many people say its "just weed" and for years i hid behind Bob Marley and other famous potheads. It's an addiction and it takes a lot of willpower to fight it alone.
  4. I waited too long for the collapse. Weed is mostly a victimless crime with no real consequences, at least in the short run. I waited too long and i should have acted sooner.
  5. I try to be kind to myself. A long time, i hated myself for my habits, and its a very destructive thing to do. Realizing that everything happens for a reason and cutting me some slack helped a lot.
  6. Against the cravings, i started running. It's proven that it can help overcome those moments, sport is also a great antidepressant. I listened to my favourite music and ran until the craving stopped. For motivation i used an app, which i won't name here, but it involves zombies and running. It's free and goes great with music.
  7. I tell myself: "I'm freeing myself, not "I'm stopping". Its just framing, but made a huge difference to me.
  8. I realized that i can never smoke again in my life. After being a daily user for a long period of time who also started very young, weed is rooted in my brain, right there with the basic needs like sleeping or eating. It will take a long, long, time to go away, and probably never will. I'm at peace with the fact that i can never go back to casual smoking.
That is all i can think of. Thank you, dear reader, for making this journey with me. DM me for any questions or if you need a wingman on your own journey.
kind regards
Nutley How
Edit: I'm in no position to tell anyone what to do. I just wanted to share my experiences and what helped me. So i rephrased some of my bullet points, since what helped me might not work for others and vice versa. I also tuned the language down to PG13.
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EDIT: This post is in an article format with pictures and graphs here
I can't be silent anymore. In 2018, out of 1076 abortions in Poland, 1 was because of rape, 25 because it was dangerous for the woman's life and 1050 because of an unhealthy fetus. It means that PIS just totally banned abortion in Poland
Too few Europeans are aware of the depth of this crisis. The current Polish government is destroying the country from inside-out with its nepotism, religious zeal, communistic tactics, social programs and funding verge organizations (or trolls). It breaks every single law, making unconstitutional laws since 2015 and destroying the court of law. How Poland is pushing EU into crisis - rise of populism. The video is 2 years old and now it's worst
PIS staffed every single judicial court with its own people (ending the impartiality of judges). The very aggressive social 500+ program increased the job inactivity of Poles to 48% (48% of 15+ Polish citizens are NEET. Unemployment is at 5-6%). The Job vacancies in Poland are at the lowest level in EU. The corruption and nepotism is rampant, more than 1000 family members and friends are in public companies or in different Ministries. Polish PIS high ranking politicians are also making money together with pimps and mafia (see scandals down there). They are also giving millions of euros from public money to the Catholic Church. They are paying trolls to spew hate on Facebook, via Whatsapp and on the web. Some of them are hiding and not prosecuting pedophiles in the Catholic Church. Poland has almost the lowest innovation in EU. In 15 indexes tracking freedom and democracy in Europe Poland went from an average position of 12 out of 28 in 2010 to 23 out of 28 in 2019. I mean, not to diminish Trump’s “awesomeness” but imagine if the WHOLE republican party in the US was Trump-like. Shady deals, family in the govt, creating discord, staffing courts with their own judges. I’m just mortified.
For further reading I recommend: Sadurski, Wojciech. "Poland's Constitutional Breakdown", Oxford University Press, 2019.
Acronyms and main characters:

PiS changes electoral rules in an unconstitutional move. Presidential "elections" 2020 are the Biggest legal blunder of the year Poland Is Showing the World How Not to Run a Pandemic Election. The upcoming Polish election is shaping up to be a farce. Washington should learn from Warsaw’s mistakes before November.
Why Poland’s “ghost election” sends a warning about its democracy
Wikipedia about this blunder
Destruction of the rule of law. Some of the passages below are taken from this pdf
No member state in the history of the EU has ever gone as far in subjugating its courts to executive control as the current Polish government. The Polish case has become a test whether it is possible to create a Soviet-style justice system in an EU member state; a system where the control of courts, prosecutors and judges lies with the executive and a single party.
Across Europe, national courts recognise the judgements of courts in other member states, whether these involve commercial law, the European arrest warrant or child custody. Judges must assume that courts across the EU operate according to common values and principles set out in the European Union Treaty and in its Charter of Fundamental Rights. Once judges across the EU have reason to doubt whether courts in any member state provide effective judicial protection, the legal order on which the EU rests collapses.
Freedom house - How PIS captured Poland’s Courts
Constitutional Tribunal changes It all began with the constitutional crisis four years ago. Constitutional crisis and the destruction of the rule of law In 2015, parliament changed the law on the Constitutional Tribunal, which rules on the constitutionality of legislation. The changes allowed them to annul the nominations of three judges made by the previous parliament and appoint their own. It shortened the terms of the tribunal's president and vice-president from nine to three years. The tribunal ruled the move unconstitutional in an open rebellion, but the dispute remains unresolved. Julia Przylebska - was illegally named the president of the Tribunal court by the president. And now Kaczynski, the PM have meetings at her house. Nice separation of power
There's too much to describe. For further info please visit the link. It is an amazing summary of the whole ordeal. timeline
Supreme Court changes The European Commission, the EU's executive arm, said one of the most controversial reforms was to do with the Supreme court, which, among other duties, is responsible for confirming election results. The idea was to lower the age of retirement for Supreme Court justices from 70 to 65, but allow the Polish president to grant a five-year extension to whomever they deemed worthy. In 2019, the European Court of Justice (ECJ) — the EU's highest court —ruled this was illegal, after an interim decision ordered 20 already-sacked judges be reinstated. Of course, PIS chose 2 new Constitutional judges, A politician Pawlowicz with communistic past and Piotrowicz, also a politician and a prosecutor that was an active communist during the 80 that prosecuted Solidarnosc. Both of them are above 65 years old.
Ordinary court judges There were also moves to try a similar tactic in the general court system for judges and public prosecutors, lowering the age of retirement for women to 60 and for men to 65, down from the current 67. Under the reforms the justice minister, who is appointed by the ruling party, would have the power to extend a judge's term. The laws were somewhat adjusted after pressure from the European Commission, but in November 2019 the ECJ shot down these laws, too, citing gender discrimination and political influence over the judiciary.
Disciplinary measures for judges Another PiS addition allowed judges to be investigated and sanctioned for their court rulings. The disciplinary hearings and procedures were to be carried out by judges selected via parliament. These reforms were criticized by the European Commission because "judges are not insulated from political control and thus judicial independence is violated." The commission brought legal action against Poland on this matter in October 2019.
National Council of the judiciary takeover In 2017 PiS remodeled the National Council of the Judiciary, which selects candidates for appointment as judges by the President of the Republic. This allowed it, in the short term, to control appointments to the Supreme Court – including to a newly created Disciplinary Chamber, which hears disciplinary cases against judges, and to a new Extraordinary Appeals Chamber, which adjudicates on electoral issues. Over time PiS’ take-over of the National Judicial Council allows it to reshape the entirety of the judiciary. Fifteen of the 25 members of the National Council of the Judiciary were previously elected by judges themselves, as is common practice across Europe for such bodies. These fifteen judges are now elected by the majority in the Sejm, the lower chamber of the Polish parliament. The other ten members of the National Council of the Judiciary are: four members from the Sejm itself (all four members of PiS), two members from the Senate, one representative of the President of the Republic, the Minister of Justice, the president of the Supreme Court and the president of the Supreme Administrative Court. In total 23 of the 25 positions are directly appointed by political authorities.
After the election of the new KRS, a publication of the list with the names of judges declaring their support for specific candidates was refused. The Supreme Administrative Court ruled that those names must be disclosed. However, the Chancellery of the Sejm has yet to carry out the NSA’s ruling. The Constitutional Tribunal (TK) and the President of the Personal Data Protection Office have been roped into guarding the secret. KRS destruction
Muzzle bill The muzzle bill passed Dec 2019, victimize judges questioning the legitimacy of the government’s legal appointments, saying it is unlawful to “show hostility to other authorities of the Republic of Poland and its constitutional organs or to critisize the basic principles of the Republic of Poland.”The bill also delegalise the preliminary questions to the Court of Justice of the EU (CJEU). The bill also allows to fire judges ( which is unconstitutional according to the Constitution). In average Ziobro dismissed a judge every day and a half from its position of president of court source
One of the worse Covid19 laws in EU. Trampling Fundamental freedoms using a single ordnance and Critiquing the President will land you a year in jail. report.
In the latest special Covid19 law (already 4th lol) PIS smuggled an article straight from a communistic playbook about prosecuting people that critique the president. The sentence can be up to a year. They also smuggled a harsher law for abortions. Can someone tell me HOW it is related to Covid19? source
More Ruleoflaw
Political scandals Illegal presidential pardon Illegal presidential pardon for CBA chief Kaminski In 2013, Law and Justice (PiS) MP Mariusz Kamiński – who served as head of the anti-corruption agency from 2006 and 2009 – was found guilty of overstepping his powers. He was sentenced to three years in prison and was banned from holding public office for ten years. Polish President Andrzej Duda pardoned Kamiński even though he was still appealing his sentence at the time. The case against Kamiński was then discontinued. A supreme court judge said that the president interfered in the legal process because Kamiński was proven neither innocent nor guilty when he was pardoned, making a future ruling redundant. The judge said that the president can pardon someone after any final appeal has been heard “because then he is not interfering with the judiciary”.
Merging the General Prosecutor with the political Minister of Justice The general prosecutor role was merged with the minister of justice Ziobro. source. This handed Ziobro and his subordinates greatly expanded power to politically interfere with rank-and-file prosecutors, their decisions, and their freedoms of speech and association. Poland Is Purging Its Prosecutors
200+ public prosecutors that are loyal to the Minister of Justice Ziobro (from PIS) All of them got promotions (or someone from their family) or pay raises. another list
Destroying the military The creation of a territorial defense unit- a civilian army led by the ministry of defense to control “the situation inside Poland”. In addition, there was a purge of generals. and killing multibillion deals with France. About 37 generals and 47 colonels left. Why? Because they had to answer to a 27-year old assistant to the Defense Minister, former pharmacy assistant without a university degree. The Rzeczpospolita daily newspaper reported that Misiewicz was given a top communications job with PGZ ( largest defense consortiums in Central Europe) that pays $12,500 a month, huge sum in a country where the average pre-tax wage is about $1,150 a month. source
PIS decides to overhaul 40-years old t-72 instead of investing in German tanks. Not enough ammunition, uniforms NVG and other gadget went to the above unit,
In 2015, the Defence minister Macierewicz raided the Nato center in Warsaw at 1am to take control of documents and place their man at the helm
The ministry of Justice is funding trolls to destroy judges Ziobro-Piebiak paid Troll scandal The Onet news portal published a report alleging that Deputy Justice Minister Łukasz Piebiak “arranged and controlled” an online campaign against Judge Krystian Markiewicz, the head of Iustitia, a judicial organization critical of the government’s efforts to restructure the judicial system, as well as against other inconvenient judges. According to the Onet report, Piebiak operated and financed an online campaign by a woman called Emilia who allegedly sent over 2,000 letters and emails about Markiewicz to other judges as well as to pro-government right-wing media. The messages contained fabricated, semi-confirmed and gossipy details of the judge’s personal life. According to Onet, Emilia obtained Markiewicz’s personal address from Piebiak so she could send him one of the letters.
Taking over the state media State media was taken over by PIS and is using mass propaganda and here Not only they are a propaganda tube but they also offend polish citizens ie – translation: defenders of paedophiles and alimonies-takers are the ones against judiciary reforms. They call every peaceful protest as a coup
The same can be said about the GUS – general statistical bureau. It is controlled by PIS and it is known to “change” metrics so every Inflation or unemployment metrics can’t be trusted.
LBGT-free zones and Xenophobia. Fear against refugees and calls for xenophobia. A leaked draft of a new Polish migration policy discriminates against Muslims, ranks foreigners according to ethnicity and breaches human rights
PIS is supporting LGBT free zones where a thrid of Poland is declared as LGBT-free. During the presidential elections in 2020 Gay “ideology” is worse than communism, says Duda - PIS president . another source
Destroying education and HealthCare. PIS cancels the in vitro program Polish government program that covered most of the in vitro costs was immediately cut by the Law and Justice Party when it came to power in late 2015, even though Poland has one of the lowest birth rates in the EU. Catholic Church opposition to IVF is widely seen as one factor in the Polish government's decision.
PIS also increased the minimum wage at the beginning of 2020. It created a weird paradox where a teacher and a starting MD is earning less than the minimal wage because they get paid from public money and the minimal wage change is for the private sector. And PIS wants to ban sex ed by labeling teachers as gay activists and pedophiles. Critics say Poland’s governing Law and Justice Party is wrecking the education system for political gain — and students are suffering.
No one cares for the environment. Destruction of the oldest European forest in Poland by Minister of Environment Szyszko The Bialowieza Forest is a UNESCO World Heritage site that sprawls across the border between Poland and Belarus, occupying almost 580 square miles of woodland and providing home to rare European wood bison among others. At least 10,000 trees are thought to have been felled in Białowieża, since the Polish environment minister, Jan Szyzko tripled logging limits there in 2016. The EU’s highest court has ruled that Poland’s logging in the Unesco-protected Białowieża forest is illegal, potentially opening the door to multi-million euro fines.
“Our (water) resources are comparable to those of Egypt,” it said in the report bearing the ominous title: “Poland, European Desert”
Nepotism and colleagues in state-owned companies PIS won the elections by wanting to fight nepotism. The most famous was “24yo Misiewicz, a former pharmacy assistant without a university degree was in the defense industry under Macierewicz. The apparent favoritism has raised ethics concerns in a party that won office promising to fight corruption.” source There is even a webpage listing more than 1000 cases of nepotism under PIS Pisiewicze
Latest data show 162M PLN to 84 PIS oligarchs and Colleagues
Illegal budget for 2017 The 2017 budget "was adopted" not in the Sejm assembly hall, but in a smaller room where the so-called parliamentary session was held immediately as a follow-up to the meeting of the parliamentary causus of PIS, where no reliable counting of vates was possible, and with many allegations taht the opposition MPs were not allowed in. [Constitutional Democracy in Crisis?, Oxfoord, 2018, p.268]
Ex-communists in PIS ranks. And PIS is very anti-left and anti-PRL. They are accusing the opposition – PO - to consist mostly of ex-communists or communistic party members or collaborators. The issue is that most members of PO fought against the communism and spent months/years in prison in the ’80. On the other hand, the PIS party members scarcely fought for polish liberty and some of its party members are former communistic party members or communistic prosecutors like Piotrowicz! Some Polish TC judge are also ex-PRL members. Here is a list in polish of all current PIS party members who served as PRL members during the communistic era. So, PIS is fighting against itself. Another list with 20 names of ex-party members now in PIS
Funding the Catholic church with public money PIS is very Pro-Catholic, most of their voters are devout Catholics. So it is no surprise that PIS is funding religious orgs from public money. Since Law and Justice came to power in 2015, Father Rydzyk’s businesses have received at least $55 million in subsidies from at least 10 ministries and state companies. His Radio Maryja station, which reaches millions and is often the sole source of information for many older voters in rural Poland, offers a daily diet of horror stories about a world without faith, where gay people control the political agenda, universities are corrupted by “neo-Marxists,” and the Roman Catholic Church is under mortal threat. Rydzyk Embroiled in Corruption Allegations
Hiding Pedophilia. Map of 259 victims of catholic pedophilia. When a documentary was released before recent local elections revealing devastating examples of how priests sexually abused children and how church officials covered it up, many in PIS saw it not as evidence of an institution that lost its way, but one that needed to be defended. Piotrowicz, the above communist prosecutor, dismissed in 2001 a case against a priest accused of raping six girls.
Polish PIS president Duda pardons a paedophile that raped his own daughter. He makes the pardon a week before elections
Smolensk commission The so-called assassination of Kaczynski's twin president brother in Smolensk created 90M PLN of costs. PIS created a "cult" around his death and even created a special commission that would prove it was an assassination. Kaczynski was using it on every occasion Don't wipe your treacherous mugs with .... Ofc they didn’t prove anything and they buried the topic. Every 10th of every month for 3 years, PIS party leader Kaczynski was making a "show" commemorating his dead twin brother. He was using the police to secure his demonstration even if he has no lawful power (he is neither a president, neither the prime minister). New law expanding police surveillance and the police is getting raises after raises to keep them happy. The commemorations, the commission and the damages (paid only to the politicians’ families, not to the crew) amounted to 91M PLN.
The welfare revolution PIS is also very pro-family. The party is giving away 500zl per month for every kid. In short, it has “bought” the elections. The polish economy is unable to sustain such an endeavor roots of populism. And it costs the economy 80B PLN between 2016 and 2019. The best part? Rate of births is negative for the last couple of years and inflation is still growing. According to the PIS Stats bureau it is 3.5% and growing. However, many journalists made their own baskets of normal good and services and the inflation is closer to 10%. Additionally there is a growing debt that PIS tries to hide by shifting some debt into other Funds. One of them is the “Solidarity fund” that is not counted in the overall polish GDP, that is to support people with disabilities will pay for the 13th and 14th pension of people 65+.
Funding propaganda and trolls Computational Propaganda in Poland: Russian troll factories
PIS bought the Pegasus spyware to spy on its citizens In September 2018, private broadcaster TVN24 reported that Poland’s state audit body, NIK, was questioning an outlay of over 33 million zloty (€7.6 million euro) by the Justice Fund, a government fund to help victims of crime. According to TVN, the money went toward the purchase of a “new system to spy on telephones and computers, the most expensive system in the history of Polish secret services.” Reports that the covertly purchased system could be Pegasus — a top-performing spyware that is impossible to track — surfaced last week.
Polish troll farms promoting Duda and Kaczynski
Funding public TV stations Polish public TV stations should be impartial and public. Not favoring any party nor government and give the same screen time to every party equally. Unfortunately, there was a purge of journalists the moment PIS won the election and the propaganda is stalin-like. Look at this graph how it changed. Polish TVP is the mouthpiece of the govt. In 2020 PIS voted to give an additional 2B pln per year for 5 years to public tv.
Public Main TV making fun of US ambassador by reading the tweet with a derogatory accent
Scandals PIS has hundreds of scandals that each would destroy a modern government. They defrauded billions of PLN over the years, put 1000’s of family members in different state-owned companies. Below are listed the main sexual and financial scandals.
  1. Sex hotel of the head of the Audit office Marian Banaś , a Law and Justice (PiS) politician and recently appointed chief of Poland’s Supreme Audit Office has been heavily embroiled in a corruption scandal, another to hit the ruling party just weeks before the country votes in a parliamentary election. Mr Banaś served as finance minister from June to August this year, and is a key figure in the party. Mr Banaś concealed his possession of a tenement house in Krakow from his financial disclosures. This property was then revealed to have deep running connections with a local, criminally-run escort agency. He claimed that the house was given to him by an old friend whom he met in the Home Army, which he then renovated. In his disclosures he claimed he would sell the house, which never happened. Banaś claims that this was due to the buyer’s inability to get a loan. Investigations have further revealed that Mr Banaś agreed to rent the property for 5000 zloty a month, 10,000 zloty lower than its estimated market value, according to Gazeta Wyborcza. Just as the scandal could not apparently get any worse for Mr Banaś, further investigation by journalist Bertold Kittel revealed criminal links. When Mr Kittel entered the property he found at the reception an infamous Krakow criminal known as one of the brothers K – Wiesław or Janusz, who control escort agencies in the region. While still under investigation, there have been suggestions of contact between the two.
  2. "Alleged" Pedophila and Sex trafficking scandal of House speaker Wirtualna Polska learned the contents of the message of CBA officer Wojciech J. to the prosecutor's office about the failure of the head of the CBA, Ernest Bejda. In the background is a lost record with a recording of one of the leading PiS politicians who should have sex with a minor Ukrainian girl lost. His name falls on the document. In the message, Wojciech J. refers to several reports that he was the head of the office in connection with the "unauthorized access to his armored cabinet during his absence" submitted. From this vault, a record should be lost in escort agencies from the Podkarpacie region. One of the leading PiS politicians should have sex with a young Ukrainian in the recording. The statement signed by lawyer Beata Bosak-Kruczek mentions the name of Sejm spokesman Marek Kuchciński.
  3. Health minister Szumowski alleged to have bought £1m of PPE from ski instructor friend during pandemic. And givng away £65m grants to companies run by brother public anger has exploded after Polish newspaper Gazeta Wyborcza reported that Szumowski bought masks with fake certificates from a skiing instructor who is friends with his businessman brother, Marcin. Poland’s Health Ministry reportedly spent five million zloty (£1m) on 120,000 FFP-2 type face masks and 20,000 surgical masks that were later found not to meet safety standards, Politico says. The company that sold the masks was registered on the 30 of March and won the govt. contract on the same day. Critics have also questioned Szumowski’s previous dealings in government. Polish news network tvn24 reports that while serving as deputy science minister in 2016-17, he gave 300 million zloty (£60m) in grants from Poland’s National Centre for Research and Development (NCBR) to OncoArendi Therapeutics, a research company run by his brother. Another company in which Szumowski was a shareholder, Life Science Innovation (LSI), was reportedly given a 24 million zloty (£5m) NCBR grant just days after he took up the ministerial post.
  4. Same Health minister Szumowski bought 1.2 thousand ventilators for PLN 200 million from a company owned by an arms dealer, not a single device was delivered
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2020.10.22 08:21 becausebecause- Sex father and daughter secret

A little backstory with as little detail as possible so you can understand why I am fuckin losing it! I was raised by my single father along with my older brother from age 3 until I was around 15. I was sexually abused by my brother and physically and mentally abused by my father for as long as I can remember. I need glasses to see but never had a pair until I was in foster care around age 16. My father had manipulated me around age 8 into thinking I would be blind by age 18 as well as seemingly manipulated my brother into thinking he could “do anything he wanted with me” and so on my whole life he would say I wasn’t his real daughter and so on, You get the point it was a really fucked up situation from day one. My father literally believed he was the devils spawn and basically he was I think we can put it at that. Both my parents were crack heads and eventually around age 14 I was a full blown methhead runaway. FASTFOWARD through so much other shit I can’t even begin, I end up in a foster home where I met my SO! He was 20 and I was tuning 18 little did I know he is a sex/pornaddict(or something) and I’m just finding out 8 years later. He’s a great Dad and sweet guy with a good family but holy shit I just don’t know what’s manipulation anymore. See what happened was I’ve noticed over time he just stop talking you never seemed interested in anything I have to say he would literally stare at the TV when I spell not come to bed ect, meanwhile after years and two children later I finally started to get sick of all his shit And at this point I have been without eyeglasses for about four months so I finally just Broke up with him for what seemed like no reason to him and his(our?) family because I felt like I was going crazy imagining all this shit! Well after that shit just got real crazy and while we were broke up I slept with someone and according to him that’s why he slept with a escort (which he would secretly look for online often from a young age). Anyway about a month ago we ended up getting back together and he all of a sudden is super suspicious of me and what I’m doing even though I’ve never done anything like that before. To the point where he was convinced I was in a porn video which is what led to him admitting he had a sex or a porn addiction. So basically I found out about a month ago that the whole time I wasn’t crazy and we have a problem but along with that I’ve started to see everything in one full picture and if you’ve gotten this far you know I have been through way too much shit to be dealing with this stupid shit. All I’m trying to do is raise two happy children and enjoy the remainder of my life without abuse. Now I feel like because of my past, I don’t know if I should believe He is still fucking with my mind or am I just desensitized to other people’s shit because I’m just trying to live a nice peaceful life. I should add that I have been a stay at home mom for four years and since getting back with me BF he has been unemployed and I’ve been paying rent and picking up slack for months. Even if you wish me luck that’s better than nothing
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2020.10.22 04:14 theexperienceof_life Father and daughter secret sex

 My parents immigrated here before I was born. There were 6 of us including my parents. My story begins with my mom. My mom suffered from postpartum depression after I was born and ended up developing bipolar depression. She was incredibly quiet and shy and so her two youngest daughters ended up being that way, me being the youngest. My mom told me that she really disliked being shy and she feared that for her daughters. I don’t have any memory of this next part. During one of her episodes, she decided to put my sister and I under a train with her. She later told me that it was because she had a lot of self-hate from being quiet and she didn’t want us to suffer what she suffered. I don’t know much details but my sister and I had to get picked up from a social worker by my aunt. My mom had to get stitches on her head. I was worried for her. She’s been admitted to mental health facilities a couple of times after that. My story with my father is short but my mom mentions him often. When I was growing up, we didn’t have a set home and I remember walking through the streets with my family all carrying trash bags of our belongings. We slept in motels a couple times. This was all when i was around 7. Once I saw my father watching porn in the motel when all of us were asleep. My father was and alcoholic, drug user, and he would abuse my mom. I have a memory of my father where he punched the wall in the apartment I grew up in. He was yelling at my mom. My sister and I were crying and we were scared. I remember when he touched me, we were all living in one room at a family friend’s house. Everyone was asleep and he told me to keep it a secret between us. I don’t know exactly what he did but I grew up remembering what it felt like and wondering if that was sex. When I was in high school and got my first boyfriend and was going to lose my virginity ,I was thinking “if my father had sex with me then I could confirm it by having sex with my boyfriend .” It felt pretty much the same. I remember the day I was pulled out of school. I was in 2nd grade. My mom said she told the people in the front office of what was happening at home. I told my best friend that I’d see her tomorrow but I never saw her after that day. I rode in a police car and I think my siblings and I had to meet with a social worker. They checked us for signs of physical abuse and asked us if our father touched us. Of course we all said no. We were then taken to a foster home. My dad was imprisoned. We lived there for about 4 months and were then released back to my mom. I lived with my aunt up until I turned 11. My aunt took me in and I would visit my mom in the summers. It was normal for her to have episodes when I was there and she’d have to be taken into a mental health clinic. My siblings and I would have to visit her there but she wouldn’t really make any sense. I felt really bad for her. Once when she was going through an episode, she took a nap and had a night terror. My sister and I heard her from the bottom floor of our 2 story apartment. We stopped and stared at each other. I ran upstairs as my mom yelled that she wanted to die .She was screaming at the top of her lungs. She was still laying down and I laid down next to her ,hugging her until she calmed down. This is one of my proudest moments.. I’m 24 now and I have social anxiety. This is manageable considering I used to also suffer from depression. Life is good and I don’t think about myself as a victim anymore, I’m not depressed anymore. My story is very sad but I really needed to share it because I have never told anybody all of it. 
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2020.10.21 13:59 bipolartist-62 Sex and secret daughter father

This is my first post on a sub like this, so bear with me as I don’t exactly get Reddit etiquette, and it’s a long post. I (27 M) was first diagnosed with bipolar depression around age 13. I had two brief hospital stays during that time period, and was medicated (abilify/welbutrin). At one point it was recommended to my mother that I was potentially eligible for SSI/Disability. She chose not to take that route as even when financially we could have desperately used it; she never wanted to paint a stigma within me about my ability to function in society. I eventually decided at that time due to weight gain and my natural competitive nature that I was going to prove psychiatrists and others wrong. I stopped taking my meds cold turkey. I made it through high school, and even though I hated those years socially, managed to graduate with pretty good prospects for college. Arguably I spent the next few years in a strange space of imposters syndrome. Even though I had no friends or romantic relationships at the time, I had convinced myself I wasn’t bipolar, just a normal depressed teenager when diagnosed. After my mother died in 2014, I really began to distance myself from that diagnosis. In my mind, I sought to prove her correct that I could be a normal functioning member of society.
I made close friends, dated, moved up in jobs. Eventually in 2016 my ex gave birth to my daughter and that’s when I began to reassess a lot of things. When she and I broke up 3 months after my child being born, I fell into a depression. I coped with the usual unhealthy methods (sex, alcohol, weed,) and a few healthy ones such as really locking in on being a father. With all that unnecessary background detail filled in, I’ll begin the current state of affairs. Around 2018 I took to casually smoking weed again. Even though I experimented with it in the past, I never would have called myself a stoner. One particular day I smoked though, I had a mix between a panic attack and epiphany. I started reassessing the last couple years of my life, and realized that my diagnosis of bipolar was most certainly correct. Being in college at the time and at the time focusing on certain elements of development phases and psychology in my free time. I began to piece by piece realize I never really was okay. I began to read more into hypomania and cycling and how these things manifest within a persons life. I began to realize most of my accomplishments were achieved during the oftentimes euphoric states of hypomania.
While my depressive come downs would lead me to do things like leave my apartment in shambles and cluttered for days/weeks at a time. Recently I began seeing a therapist to share these thoughts and observations with, as I’m no professional and believe in seeking the advice of someone who is. Unfortunately therapy seems to have made these feelings worse? Mainly because my therapist had acknowledged I have a fantastic grasp of understanding and acceptance over my condition. In many ways these past few months have been worse because I understand I’ll never truly be normal. I live a secretly lonely existential depressing life. I’m a constant advocate for mental health issues and openly share my condition with others in hopes of inspiring them to seek help or talk to someone. Even so, I feel like my fiancée, friends, nor family can truly help me. It’s hell because I have this damn disease that I know deep down inside is every bit as ruinous as many people on these subreddits have said. The problem I have is I’ve become so functional at being dysfunctional, no one even notices unless I tell them, and I’m finally willing to say I’m concerned I’m going to lose this battle.
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2020.10.20 01:31 justanotheracount150 Don't tell people in videogames your plans for Holliday's, especially if you're a female.

I live in New England, and Salem is a huge tourist attraction up here. I used to go every year with my parents, my parents were christian, but my mom dabbled in wicca for fun. My dad would get upset about us seeing her books, but my mom raised as a southern baptist, never really defined herself by one religion, she always seemed to believe them all, even ancient religions, she was a big fan of Egyptian history. She was also a psychiatrist, and found every religion had a form of healing mentally which is why she studied many religions in the first place. Most of her documented work was about the fine line between healthly way of health through religion and creating harmful dillusion. She worked with trouble teens.
Every year we would go see this one phychic as my mom really liked her. She liked her ability to read people on a phycology level more so than magical. We would explore the historical parts of Salem for my dad who's interests have always been math and history, few degrees in engineering and math but one in history because he could. He would teach us the history during daylight hours and at night my mom would take us around to the creepy mystery and magical stuff.
This divide often left us with only my mom at night as my dad would sleep in the car to prepare for the hours long drive home. At the point this starts I was 15. I played online videogames, and just got into World of Warcraft, as a female I got a lot of weird attention. (Frame of reference I'm 30 now). It was the last year we'd visit Salem as my mom was getting sick, though I didn't know it yet. I told my guild I was going to Salem and one guy chimed in he lived near it and would love to meet me. I explained I was going to be with my parents and be weird if some guy I never met showed up, and thought nothing more.
I played with my two older brothers and they were in the same guild, neither of them said anything either. What I didn't know is this guy was actually Facebook friends with my brother, and I just joined facebook, as it was recently opened to high school students too. I didn't know but he knew what we looked like.
So the day arrived, we packed up for day trip to Salem, we were excited as usual as both my parents always took extra care to make the trip exciting. And my brother brought his new girlfriend, and other brother brought his best friend I had a huge crush on. We didn't get to do much as a family as my brothers were in college and my parents worked a lot. Non of us knew the day would be much scarier than jump scares and spooky stories.
We did our usual routine there, showed off our costume, got tasty food from venders and just having a good time. My mom at the time was taking our younger brother who was 9 to do the kiddie stuff so I wondered off with my brothers. For those who've never been to Salem it's mostly the down town and turned into a giant witchy fair basically but with historical building instead of barns. My parents gave us 100$ each to go shopping and have fun, my oldest brother bought beer and let me try it but it was gross lol so I got some apple cider. My dad had gone to the car and my brother was commenting on all the hot girls with his friend, and my other brother distracted with his new girlfriend. I had no friends in high school so I just sat alone on a rock wall near by as they chatted and played around.
I decided to go off and get a snack and these fake tattoo art near by. My brothers girlfriend said she join me soon and stay at the artist if I finish early (leave it to a girl to be maternal I guess lol). As I ate my apple fritter in line someone tapped me on the shoulder, I immediately thinking it was my brother and his girlfriend turned around to find a 20 something year old, nerdy obese guy with curly long greasey hair standing over a foot taller than me. He was wearing a Warcraft II shirt and he greeted me and asked me if I played WoW.
I assumed he was looking at my backpack which I drew all over, and it had World of Warcraft written on it. I always carried my backpack with my laptop and full of sketching supplies as I get bored easily. (Ps laptop I had back then was 2000$ hp and heavy as hell)
He explained he played too, and was excited to meet a girl who played WoW. Going to a small school myself the only people I knew who played WoW were my brothers, their friends and their friends younger brothers, who weren't my friends. Despite not having friends, I was a friendly extrovert (I lost popularity due to a fall out with friends where I was made out to be bad person, long story) so I greeted him kindly as I would anyone. Honestly I just got the vibe he was looking for a friend, currently lost all my friends (in a small school of 200 people total for all highschool, it's easy to have your whole grade of 54 people against you, it was a prep school too so clicks were absolutely toxic). I felt sympathy for him as it sucked not having friends, and I was absolutely more vunable as result of losing all my friends and having and entire school hate me.
So we chatted, I didn't even pick up creepy vibes until he mentioned my brothers names. It seemed like a mistake as he tried to cover it up after. Only then I started feeling nervous and it showed. Stupid me just kept nodding to his questions but I had chills, too much to answer anymore verbally. As it was my turn to get a fake tattoo, the lady doing my tattoo obviously saw my discomfort and whispered if I was ok. I didn't want to say anything so I simply shrugged.
Immediately this guy goes off, asking what she wispered to me. A huge red flag went off, as he became possessive of me, saying stuff like I should talk about people behind their backs and it is rude. He said something along the lines of me being a tease and stormed off after bike cops started coming over to see why this guy was yelling.
Now wouldn't that be a fine ending? I wish...
The cops asked who he was, I told them I didn't know him. They asked me my age and name ect, and the lady quickly finished up my tattoo and rejected my payment as I was swifty taken away by police to a tent they had set up. There I called my mom who rushed over like the end of the world happened. I got scolded of all things and my brothers were about to get their butts handed to them on a platter. She was told by the female officer that a man had been harassing me, and it was lucky they showed up (FYI cops are in plenty around Salem especially in October)
About 30 minutes had passed by the time I met up with my mom and creepy guy stormed off. She frantically called my brothers but neither picked up. My mom was fuming so I ran over and bought her apple cider (family thing) and seemed to cool her off a bit while we looked for my brothers.
So after another 30+ minutes she sees my brother and his girlfriend frantically looking for me around the tattoo booth I was originally at. Anndddd off my mom went, left behind hold my baby brothers hand. Least the confused look on his face made me smile.
My mom is overly protective of me as we lost my little sister 11 years before this due to choking. She was a baby and choked while no one was looking. So she would get extra mad on my account, going as far to get a teacher (rightfully) fired for keeping me in class during an asthma attack from an idiot spraying perfume in my face. (Another teacher over heard and pulled me out of class). But not without embarrassing me by screaming at her during school hours.
So here my mom screening at my brother and his girlfriend for being "wreckless". My moms worst nightmare is kidnapping, prob as are most parents. It was quite the scene honestly, but I tried to focus on my baby brother and make him laugh instead. He was everything to me those days anyways, now he's a pretty rude and mean but different events transpired to turn him from sweet kid to mean adult.
I didn't think about where my other brother went till the drama unfolding I guess lured him and his friend to my mom. But as he was walking to my mom to seemingly break up the fight (he was always the calm one) I saw creepy WoW guy in tow with him and his friend... I simply did what every dumb sheltered girl does...I froze. My brother calmed my mom down and eventually told my mom the "creepy man" was his friend from videogames, and was just making sure I was safe since I was seemingly alone.
Durring all this time, I guess he found my brother and spun the story to being a white knight though at the time I was simply clueless to that level of manipulation... My mom turned around to ... Thank him and said sorry for the misunderstanding. They all talked for what seemed like forever but eventually My baby brother pulled me out of my frozen state by needing to pee.
I took him to the bathroom after telling my mom, honestly I was just stunned and didn't think people would believe a 15 year old over a college student. But suddenly this creepy guy runs up to me and my baby brother saying he can take him to the boys room so he doesn't have to go to the icky girls room, as an apology for "catching me off guard, he was just worried about me"...
Idk why but I yelled at him simply " no, he's going with me". I think that's where cogs started moving for my mom, that this guy wasn't all there. My little brother insisted on going to the boys room now though but thankfully my oldest brother stepped in to take him...but creepy wow guy followed in saying he had to go pee anyways, that's all.
I think my mom picked up on my discomfort after this and asked if I wanted to join my dad in the car. Honestly I wanted to but I also really wanted to see a certain tent we passed by before and we still didn't see my mom's phychic yet. So we gathered back up as a family and creepy guy tagged along to see a few more things and wrap the day up with my mom's phychic. In one store I saw a cool dragon statue that was two dragons in a heart shape written on it "eternal love" but it was 200+$ and didn't really go with my pink room with cat figurines and real cats everywhere. I simply thought it was cool.
Creepy guy kept asking me small questions about my school every so often and WoW. But the one that stuck out to me that only my brothers friend overhead was if I liked anyone at school or had a boyfriend yet. My brothers friend actually was a senior at my school, my brother a freshman in college. He chimed in saying "idk but she's going to prom with me" (we actually ended up going to prom together long after this as friends under strange series of events, but at the time we never talked nor had any plans to go to prom together)
I think a light bulb turned on for him and saw that this guy was creeping on me. At this point we knew his age and he was 27 in community college (no judgement for those going to community college or older in college) but was a red flag as he bragged how he's was wealthy, how he turned down Yale and was going to graduate top of his college and so on. And my brothers friend was very uncomfortable with a 27 year old asking a 15 year old about her love life. (My brothers friend was 17)
But being dumb teens we never made a point to tell my mom or my brothers. We just bottled it up I guess. (I won't lie though, I crushed harder on him after this)
We got done with the phychic and we headed back to the car to my dad as Mr WoW creep tagged along. By the time we reached the car my mom had tried to get him to say bye a few times but he insisted he parked the same way as us... It should of been a red flag but we were all tired from walking all day. At the car he gave me that 200$ statue, I never saw him buy it, I think he stole it truthfully. My mom kinda just said it was nice of him and he didn't have to. But I could tell she thought it was weird.
Eventually we make it to the car and he insisted on "meeting the daddy of such a wonderful family". Now that gave us all a chill down our backs. My dad stands at 6ft 9inches and by no means someone you mess with. He did college football for two years till chiche injury took him out, he limps a lot more now that he's in his late 50s due to it. My mom and I are only 5ft 2, so it's quite a difference considering only 18 year old brother is the tallest brother standing 6ft compared to my dad, were all small lol. My dad one of those guys who always dress in a suit too, typical business man. Our family was well off due to both my parents being well paid professionals, idk why my dad always wore suits though even on holliday. But it definitely made him more intimidating to this nerd guy who before this projected confidence.
My dad immediately picked up on my discomfort as this guy mentioned my name and saying "oh and with (my name) you raised such a beautiful daughter too" after he was done saying how nice my dad's family was and bragging how his sons are great blah. Now my dad's not just an engineer for fighter jets but a business man and boss so he handles himself with decorum... usually (unless it's with his friends and they're joking around).
My father responded to him sternly, probably make most people freeze, because he has a really deep authority voice (FYI sucks when you're his kid cuz that voice is truely scary when you're in trouble). That same voice he uses when we've done something wrong he projected on this guy saying "if you would please back away, I'd like to take OUR family home" pointing at my mom. My dad was conservative but he gave full credit to anyone who worked hard regardless or sex religion, color or status, and was apparently already peeved by him constantly saying it was my dad's family. When my mom puts just as much effort and money into it. But mentioning me and creepy vibe was my dad's last straw.
He kept saying goodbye and he'd see us online.... Waving till we were out of sight.
So yeah still not the end... Sorry, in the car we joked a little how weird he was but quickly cheered up with food and tv.
If you've ever been to Salem or most any historical towns in New England, bunch of one way streets and maze to get anywhere in center of town. In this time a car eventually got behind us that took every turn we did. Everyone but my dad was too tired to notice, we were eating treats, and watching TV with VCdvd my dad installed in the back (honestly was pretty cool back then). While we watched scary cartoons recorded off cartoon network about an hour away from home I noticed my mom and dad whispering, and mumbling stuff. Usually this was my parents "sexy talk", incoherent but usually obvious on body language so at first I wrote it off. Few towns away from home though I noticed the body language as did my brothers wasn't "sexy talk" but stressed and worried. My mom mumbled something about police, and told my dad to pull off the highway to the rest stop.
The car went quite, and we pulled off, my mom got out and my younger older brother asked what was going on as we were probably 20min from home. Wasn't long till we all looked at what my dad was looking at intensely. Old beat up off white dirty car, and in the driver seat was creepy WoW guy and a kinda older druggy looking guy in the passenger seat. The WoW guy quickly leaned back to hide his face as we all turned to look at him, but it was definitely him. My brothers at this point are saying WTF, and trying to figure out stuff as my dad say there silently staring and pissed. My brothers girlfriend was obviously nervous and my other brothers friend was obviously unsettled but both were quite.
My oldest brother opened the car door and got out standing outside the car. My dad yelled at him to get back in and close the door. (I should mention the car we had was a large SUV that was very white that stood out so probably not hard to follow in the dark either).
Eventually cops pull in and WoW guy pulls out with another vehicle following him as the police pull up to my dad's car. Now in an action movie cop probably would of taken off and followed them but he just asked my dad questions which I found disappointing but I guess we had no proof or something. My mom soon joined and my dad got out of the car as they talked and eventually it was all over. We got home and I went straight to bed, my older brothers stayed up a bit talking but I was just worn out and my little brother was already asleep in the car in candy comma, so he was carried in like the rest of day trip luggage.
I usually stayed up till 1-2am on weekends gaming but I couldn't today, plus I had school project to finish the next day, so I fell asleep around 11pm. Around 2am my aim went off, I slept with my lap top on usually (not very environmental but I used it for music to sleep to). It immediately woke me up, anyone old enough to know that aim messenger sound knows it wakes you up. Now my AIM screen name was the same was my character in WoW so easy for ppl to add me.
The request was from someone I didn't recognize yet. I groggly accepted and rolled over but wasn't long before a few messages popped up that I half asleep read. Then my bones went cold, that actually happens when you get scared enough and I felt my body get cold soon after.
Long story short my dad parks the SUV outside as my brothers cars, mom's and dads 4 cars take up the garage.
This guy messaging me was WoW creep, obviously at this point. But he was saying how nice it was to meet me, and now that he knew where I lived he could drive down anytime and we could hang out. He continued on with paragraphs of how he thought I was cool and his sob story. Constantly bouncing between how he liked that such a beautiful girl played videogames to his life is a mess and how successful he is... Like flipping through personalities.
After like 5 + minutes my brain was awake enough to go get my brother. I first went to my oldest brothers room on the third floor but the sounds I heard in there were basically do not disturb...
So I went to my other older brothers room and him and his friend were asleep so I felt guilty. I didn't want to wake up my parents and did a bit I debated just waiting till tomorrow to say something. But I looked outside and chill ran down my back remembering he somehow knew where we lived. It was enough to wake up my brother with tears in my eyes. His friend woke up too as I was telling my brother the guy was messaging me on AIM.
They both take a moment and suddenly thier expression changed from tired to frantic as they both walked fast to my room. As they read though the messages they got to where it said he knew where we lived. My brother said he must of followed us somehow or saw the car outside. Both of them tried to think of ways to handle it, I guess feeling same way and not wanting to wake our parents or trying to be strong. Eventually they both concluded the cops needed to know, but didn't want to call the emergency line so my brother eventually went and woke up my mom. My dad's a heavy sleeper so at first he didn't come into my room. My mom read over the messages anddddd took my lap top away. (Actually took it away for two weeks after this too which sucked).
She went into her bedroom and woke my dad as they talked and my brother and his friend sat in my room trying to comfort me in their own ways. I honestly wasn't as scared as I should of been, mostly because I was way to focused on my crush at the time... We also had 10 cats (my mom rescued animals but in particular cats more, we also had a squirrel, two large dogs, and a owl, all rescues she did, except 5 of the cats were sane litter from a pregnant cat my mom took in) so I had 4 cats in my bed also full of threat reduction skills.
My mom I presume called the non emergency line and printed the messages. My brother and his friend eventually went back to his room and I feel asleep in a pile of purring cats on my bed, so wasn't difficult.
I woke up late, breakfast was done but I heated up leftovers. My alarm clock was my lap top so partly why. I guess my parents thought it best not to wake me as they were gone when I woke up. Infact as I realized everyone was gone. My house was big so was usual not to see anyone for hours... so I didn't even know I was home alone till they all came back. They all went to give statements as my neighbor watched the house and my little brother to make sure creep didn't show up.
From what I know my mom didn't want to involve me much as she was scared of the phycological effects or something of the sort. So many details I only learned from my brothers after my mom passed away. But I guess the searched for the guy but they never found him or the guy in the car with him. According to my dad it was two cars following us, the name he had on Facebook wasn't his real name either so all they had was his one profile picture, that actually wasn't him at all. So he wasn't caught and a patrol car would go down our street couple times a night.
Now it should be the end but again he continued to cause problems. He left the guild (a set group in WoW) shortly after and deleted his character week later. But back then you had no idea who a character was attached to, least these days WoW has account wide messenger so you know your friends list characters and can block accounts. But back then you could only block a character and someone could make a new one, and you'd never know they were the same person unless they said so.
Months later we got a new guild member and non of us ever thought to change our usernames or more. By this time my brothers friend had joined us in WoW and we'd kinda become friends after the drama at school settled down. (Long story short my friends cousin asked me out, we went on a date and he got really handsy (not rape but didn't take no for an answer and the guy working the theater saw and called police, then my mom got involved), my mom reported him to school and he was expelled, and I was then the target of lies and hate as he was really liked at school). Guess my brothers friend heard my side without the lies and decided to be my friend kinda since I didn't have any, more so he felt sorry for me though. But we chatted on WoW and it was obvious I had a huge crush on him, especially as my brothers would point it out in guild to embarrass me. But never did I think I would be manipulated through a crush like this. In short I was catfished into thinking my crush made a secret character to message me.
One day this character message me pretending to be my crush and lovestruck me believed it. For weeks we messaged flirty messages and I was over the moon happy. The person told me he couldn't show it in person as he was scared my brother would stop being his friend. I believed it, I fell into like an idiot... I thought my 15 year old self had a secret relationship with my crush. I was very very wrong.
One night he asked me to meet up with him in town after my parents went to sleep, I told him to pick me up but he didn't want to come near my house in fear my brother would see his car. So he told me to pick a place in town and give him the address. So I did, ... I did.. but luckily for me I had started reconnecting with a girl above my grade, not really friends but not enemy's. I offered to give her 50$ to drive me to place in town (I was one of the richest kids in town and her family lived in a 1 floor house near the highway and wasnt wealthy but not poor. But 50$ was a lot to her so she jumped at the chance despite not really being my friend.
He said he be there at 1am and should give me enough time to "walk there". I didn't even think to tell him I was catching a ride, it was pretty freaking cold so I didn't want to walk. He also said he had a Christmas gift for me and wanted to kiss me so I was over the moon not thinking anything through.
3 hours passed and my ride shows up, I give her the money and it seemed to make her friendly enough that the car ride wouldn't be too awkward. She asks why I need to go out this late in the cold to the park, I told her I was meeting someone from school in secret and I'd give her more money next week if she didn't tell anyone who. I had full awareness that she was involved in a lie or two about me so I was willing to buy her silence if it meant I didn't have to wait out in the cold.
So after less than 10 minute ride we get to the park and I wait for a text. I had newest phone back then and was pretty proud to show it off when the girl drive asked to see it. While we were talking about phones I got a text that said "I'm here".
We both look around and don't see anyone in the park or parking lot. I texted back I didn't see him or his car. I knew what my brothers friend drove as he drove me home a few times. He messaged to go to the other side of the park but again it was cold and I definitely didn't dress for the cold. I told him to come to (girls name) car cuz I wasn't dressed for the cold (with winky face).
He said he didn't want anyone seeing us together so I texted back I bought her silence already. After this slow texting cat and mouse game. It felt weird, but I couldn't understand why I felt off. He messaged me saying he had my gift and wanted to give it to me in private, so I borrowed her jacket and went to the middle of the park where there's always a lit building with bathrooms (they were locked at this hour).
But by standing under the light I lost my distance vision to see in the dark far away. I could see a figure on the other side and an outline of a car. He started walking towards me and my heart was racing with fear and excitement. I decided to walk towards him too, getting close enough not to see his face but the moonlight on his car. My brothers friend drove a black sports car, this car was light grey or white, and not even the same shape, was boxy unlike a sports car.
I stopped walking to stare at it parked on the side of the road trying to make out more details, when I saw a person in the cars driver side. As he got closer you could see his curly hair, my brothers friend did not have curly hair, nor was he puggy.
All I knew at this point the guy waving at me wasn't my brothers friend. I turned point and ran back to the girls car without even thinking, i had no idea what to think but my body just reacted. I got in her car as I slammed the door I caught a glimpse of the guy under the light standing there .... It was creepy WoW guy. He lost a good bit of weight but still not fit, but his hair and face were unique enough that I was pretty certain it was him.
My mind was rushing as the girl asked me what was going on. I couldn't even process it, I was more heartbroken than scared, typically Teenager. I eventually got out that I needed to go home now, and I'd explain as just stood there, then started walking back to his car.
She got out of there fast as I told her he followed us home couple months ago and left me creepy messages. She was obviously scared and checking behind her car religiously. After getting home she asked me what was going on she thought it was " brothers friend". I told her I didn't understand myself, but I was scared. In my mind about a million different reasons came up to make me believe that he hacked my brothers friend character, was less painful. Anything that meant his friend liked me back and it was anything but the obvious.
Afterwards I got inside and cried, felt like my first break up and it was all I could think about. Not my safety but the fact I had thought all this time my crush liked me back but it was a creep instead. I ended up falling asleep on the couch, and the next morning my mom woke me up all worried. I told her everything, bursting out in tears as I felt her body go tense in embrace.
My mom calmed me down then called the police, I was scared they arrest my brothers friend or tell him about the exchange of texts between who I thought was him and i and I begged her not to.
The cops arrived in quite a quick time, but took my phone and lap top. This time it was serious as it was considered attempted kidnapping. I just cried, mourning my relationship that I never really had with my crush. I told them everything, they asked multiple questions over and over too so it was tiring. I ended up missing school that day and the girl who drove me, well she had her own elaborate story that mostly painted me as a liar and I had a ugly older secret boyfriend or something. Just more fuel to the friendless fire.
Well after months they found nothing on the guy and eventually we all put it in the back of our minds. My dad installed a security system and we went on with our lives. I continued to play WoW and other online games. I ended up going to prom with my brothers friend cuz his date cancelled on him and he had a free ticket. We had fun but far as I knew cops never spoke with him.
Eventually I graduated and went off to college, met a guy who played WoW and dated him through college but we broke up after college as I don't want kids. My mom died soon after and all kinda sucked for awhile causing a whole series of events making my baby brothers life troubled. I spent years trying to help him to have it blow up in my face and overall not speaking with my family much at all.
I started streaming on Twitch for WoW and few other games, to pay for extra stuff as I was entry level jobs straight out of college. Was where I started learning make-up and really blossomed realising I was actually a lot more attractive than I gave myself credit, and got really into shape. This part of my life was full of let's not meet stories itself lol but one follower eventually caught my eye as he kept saying something that just made me feel uncomfortable. For about 6 months a guy would join randomly and talk about how smart he was, got into Yale and turned them down.. his troubled life at home and how much he loves Salem Massachusetts at this time of year (fall). But after I met my now boyfriend he stopped showing up.
Part of me wanted to track the guy down but I just wanted to move on with my life.
I currently have a house with my boyfriend of 5 years, 4 cats and a dog. Our anniversary is Halloween, as we met at a Halloween party so kinda when we celebrate. My current boyfriend and play WoW still, on and off along with other games and was a big reason he was attracted to me at the party was my Zelda costume. He is physical my dream guy so was instant match lol. I don't keep any information that can track me on my Facebook, but unfortunately because I own a house the information is out there online. So it's always a fear back of my mind. I still stream and play WoW but much less.
My boyfriend wanted to go to Salem Massachusetts last year as he's never been, and loved my fun stories of my mom and dad there. He took me there as a surprise thinking it would be fun. I had some fun remembering the good times with my mom but the lingering feeling of looking over my shoulder was there. My moms phychic was still there too, so I had to. She didn't recognize me to my disappointment but was perceptive enough to say "your fear of your past coming back lingers heavily tonight". I probably looked anxious.
All the memories came back yesterday when a guy in our guild asked if he could meet up with us in Boston for Halloween as he lives in there and would love to meet us as we told our guild whom we've known most of them for years and many are locals we'd miss an important event in guild due to our anniversary plans in Boston than Salem (though this year were going in basically hassmat suits due to covid, were zombies in hassmat lol). But my blood ran cold as we don't really know this guildie and my first thought was, what if it's him, what if it's creepy WoW guy.
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2020.10.20 00:48 lirosao Father and daughter secret sex

My partner (24m) and I (24f) have been together for several years, and our relationship is the strongest and healthiest it's ever been. We love each other very much and want to build a life together. But there's a long history of us breaking hearts, and our family and friends have refused to accept our being together for more than 3 years now. If we get married, a lot of them will probably cut ties with us completely.
Long background story ahead, because I don't really know to shorten it and still get helpful, relevant advice. It's complicated, guys. Will put a TL;DR at the end.
We met at 18 when we were both young and stupid but already had significant baggage. We'd both suffered childhood trauma, though we responded in different ways. At that age, I was deeply depressed, socially anxious, had grown up too quickly and couldn't relate to my peers, and was still reconnecting with my own identity and emotions after years of apathy and depersonalisation in response to the trauma. On the other hand, he was angry, still hurting, depressed, very insecure, lacked maturity, and struggled with boundaries and entitlement. We also both had undiagnosed autism. No one involved realised any of this at the time, and this insight comes from hindsight and years of therapy and growth for both of us. We've both done our best over the years to heal and become better people.
Our relationship got off to a very rocky start. We were friends during our last year of high school, and had mutual friends. I developed a crush on him, and was apparently very transparent about it, but he didn't return it. After high school, we grew closer and closer, and turned into the kind of best friends who can't go a day without talking to each other about anything and everything. I kept falling for him, my first love, deeper and deeper as the summer wore on. He kept not returning those feelings. But then he started showing sexual interest in me, and I was only too eager to become friends with benefits. I probably don't need to tell anyone what a terrible decision it is to enter into a sexual dynamic with someone you have romantic feelings for, when they don't return those feelings. Even if they care for you as a best friend. This set off a cycle of emotional outbursts, fighting with each other, breaking up, complaining and ranting to friends, making up, fighting with friends - rinse, repeat several times. By the end of that year I was emotionally exhausted and in such a vulnerable state, to the point that when we had a big fight one day, I was so scared of repeating the cycle and being hurt again... that the next day, I slept with someone else to have an excuse to end things, telling myself I was gonna date this person who actually wanted me instead. Meanwhile, my partner was having one of the worst days of his life that day... and, for a couple of months, had been summoning up the courage and working to get past his insecurities to tell me that he loved me too... which he did, and had been planning to... on the day I was going to tell him our sexual relationship was over for good and I was gonna date someone else now. So he told me he loved me and then I answered that I had slept with someone else to have an excuse to end things. After a long night, and then a long day, of talking things through openly and honestly, holding and comforting each other, and showing each other compassion and forgiveness... we chose to finally, properly step into a romantic relationship.
But, there were multiple problems from the get-go. A lot of damage had already been done during the friends with benefits stage, especially in the eyes of our family and friends. We were each other's firsts (first love, first sexual partner, first serious relationship) and we had no idea what we were doing. We were both still struggling with our unresolved childhood trauma, and didn't yet know how to handle that individually, let alone together, and not entangle our separate issues with each other. We both still had undiagnosed autism, which meant that many of our actions were misunderstood by the neurotypical people in our lives, while we understood each other. We were just beginning university, so it was already a time of immense change and challenges in our lives. And both sets of parents were against us, before we even properly started our relationship. My highly intuitive mother had picked up on some of his anger, insecurity and entitlement, when we were still in high school. But she had no idea of the background, and therefore rightly had concerns, which she expressed to my father. My partner also made a bad impression on my father the first time they met by not showing proper respect according to my culture (in hindsight, my partner was terrified and feeling insecure, and his autistic brain probably threw out everything he knew about the protocol of meeting elders in my culture). My father is very big on respect, integrity and honesty. He exemplifies those qualities and expects everyone else to do so as well. So the bad first impression stuck. In terms of my partner's family... his mother had found sexual texts between us on his phone and immediately decided that I was a complete slut and he was just thinking with his dick; his sister had decided I was a weirdo and was doing my best to take her brother's attention away from her and/or hurt him; I still don't really know what his father's opinion of me was/is. It's worth noting that his parents are insanely entitled and borderline narcissistic, with his mother being emotionally manipulative and verbally abusive, and his father being verbally and physically abusive. His sister is becoming more and more entitled and emotionally manipulative as well.
So, we dated for a whole year, but throughout that year our relationships with each other, our family and friends, and most importantly ourselves, progressively got worse and worse. Ultimately, a month after our first anniversary, he broke up with me, citing a full month of constant fighting and toxic behaviour. But we still loved each other, the foundation of our relationship was being best friends, and we had multiple mutual friends, so there would never be a clean break. We tried and tried for the next few months to figure out a healthy way to be part of each other's lives and we almost succeeded... but then one night, my father decided to go onto my email account and read my emails with my partner (serious breach of his adult daughter's privacy, I had to put a lot of work into getting past that). My partner and I had been trying to sort things out in the form of sending letters over email, and one of the things we were figuring out was our sex life. We're both kinky as hell and had developed a dom/sub relationship, with me calling my partner daddy. Reading that broke my father's heart. My and my partner's intentions had never been to disregard my father's importance in my life or reject my father, and I've always had an abundance of love and respect for him. But he experienced it as disrespect and, especially, rejection. And the general consensus from our parents and our friends that knew, was that our kinky sex life (between two fully informed and consenting adults who love and respect other) was disrespectful, immoral, deviant, disgusting, abusive, etc. That meant that we were under immense pressure to cut ties completely. And ultimately, for the sake of my relationship with my father, I took the plunge and cut ties.
My partner came back to me 6 months later. We hadn't gotten over each other at all in that time. We started sleeping together again, in secret, and then dating again, in secret. Only a few people knew we were even associating again. Our second attempt went better than our first, and lasted another year. But we were still struggling with our own trauma and mental illness and crazy academic lives. We still hadn't figured out how to not entangle our separate issues with each other. Our relationship was effectively long distance, because we studied at different universities and could only sneak in a secret visit or date every once in a while. And we still hadn't figured out how to deal with conflict without hurting each other. Then I started experiencing a severe major depressive episode, with insomnia and panic attacks. My academic life started falling apart and I fell apart with it. I reached the point of being suicidal after 4 months and was voluntarily committed to a psychiatric clinic for treatment. My partner didn't cause any of that, but he couldn't help and did make mistakes, because he was in way over his head. We both were. But of course, my family and friends assumed it had to have something to do with him. Because, after all, we'd had an abusive sexual relationship and he was obviously the abuser. So they did an investigation (not an overstatement) and figured out we were together. They then presented me with all the evidence they'd found of what a terrible person he was and how it was all his fault I had to be hospitalised and he'd obviously been manipulating and abusing me. Then placed immense pressure on me to cut all ties with him forever, or they'd disown me, for my own good. So I ended it. I wasn't in a position where I could afford to be abandoned by my family and friends, and left with no financial support. To be clear, my parents and friends are damn good people who always try to do their best for me, but they're human and make mistakes. And pain and fear have this way of distorting our perspectives.
My partner came back to me 4 months after that. This time we'd both really given it a proper go at moving on and getting over each other, even dating other people. It didn't work. We became friends and started having sex again, but didn't commit to anything for a few months. Then we had a long, emotional and honest discussion about the fact that committing to each other would probably ultimately mean losing our families and most of our friends. My family and friends think he's an abusive asshole, and his family thinks I'm trash and only ever cared about sex. With our eyes wide open to those facts, we chose to commit to each other. Again, in secret, because we weren't ready to lose all the most important people in our lives.
It's been two years since then. We've encouraged and supported each other in growing, learning, becoming better people and reaching our respective goals. We've both learned how to handle our own problems, and give each other support and comfort without getting our issues entangled. We've both healed from a lot of our childhood trauma, and learned how to manage mental illness in healthy ways. We've both learned about our autism and working with it. We are able to resolve conflict without disrespecting or hurting each other. We communicate openly, honestly, respectfully about everything. I won't say everything's perfect and easy - it never is. There are still problems between us and within ourselves, but we have what we need to solve those problems. There's healthy love here, plenty of respect and support, a feeling of safety and comfort with each other, and true commitment.
But is it worth losing so much? Giving up my parental home, my parents' love and support, my steadfast friends who have become family, my role in my godson's life (the child of two of my closest friends), and so much security, stability and familiarity? What if we just end up resenting each other?
At this point, my family hasn't seen or spoken to my partner in 4 years, and his family haven't interacted with me at all in 3 years. They're in no position to judge us or our relationship, because they don't know anything about us anymore. But regardless of how much we've changed, it's extremely unlikely they'll ever change their minds.
TL;DR My partner and I have a strong and healthy relationship, and we're committed to each other. But we fell in love at a young age, when we both had unresolved childhood trauma and undiagnosed mental illness and autism. When we started our relationship, it was the first time for both of us (first love and first serious relationship) and we had no idea what we were doing. We both made huge mistakes, and badly hurt and disappointed each other, our families and our friends. To the extent that they threatened to disown us if we stayed together. Our families and friends have no idea we've been back together for two years now. They have no idea what our relationship is like now and how much we've grown as individuals and as partners. It's unlikely we'll be able to change their minds, or that they'll even be willing to listen. If we get married, we will both likely lose the majority of our families and friends.
So, should I stay with my partner, or keep my family and friends?
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2020.10.19 16:39 heavyquestion401 Father and daughter secret sex

Trigger warning - this post deals with sexual abuse of a 12-13 year old girl by an adult male. Please be warned.
Also, I'd like to apologize in advance for the length of this post; I just don't know how much I could have cut out, as I feel the context is vital.
I (M44) am married to my high school sweetheart (F42). We've been married twenty-five years, together twenty-eight. We enjoy an incredible sex life now, though that wasn't always the case. But a lot of communication, effort, and love have gone into making it what it is.
My wife was molested by her brother in law. She was not quite thirteen when it started, and this went on for about a year. She was very sheltered, from a super conservative home - for instance, the very word "sex" is whispered there.
He started by reaching into the back seat one night while driving her home from the circus, fingering her in the car with his unaware wife (my wife's sister) in the car next to him and his young children in the back seat with my wife. This escalated into oral, then penetrative sex. He was very manipulative, talked about how she loved it, how it had to be a secret, how it would hurt her sister if the secret got out, how people would know she was bad, etc, etc. When she and I started dating, he would do things to her, ask if I did those things, tell her that he was better than I was, really sick shit like that. I didn't know every detail until recently.
I was the one who put a stop to it. She told me about it, and I encouraged her to to go her mother. The mother talked to him, told my wife they would keep him away. That wasn't acceptable too me. I went ballistic, and sixteen year old me called this grown man and told him that if he ever laid a finger on her again, I would personally beat him to death.
Shit hit the fan. The police were called, but they declined to prosecute (really disgusting process - asking this thirteen year old if he made her wet, if he had made her come, and if so, they'd have a tough time getting any charges to stick). The sister divorced him, but it destroyed the relationship between my wife and her sister - he swore my wife was lying, then later tearfully confessed to a degree, swore it was oral sex only and that my wife had come on to him. What. The. Fuck.
Well, the sister couldn't handle it, and after a while, they got back together and remarried. Think of the kids! My wife's family wouldn't allow him to come around if my wife was going to be there, but her dad continued to do business on the side with the guy, talked to him, went to lunch with him, he'd visit the in laws when my wife wasn't there, etc. Again.... What. The. Fuck.
My wife went to therapy as a young teenager, but quit after not establishing any connection with the therapist in the first couple of sessions. Her family was happy enough to just pretend it was over and behind them (or that it hadn't happened).
It has caused strife for many years. My mother in law - an otherwise amazing person - has cried over her lack of character, her inability to "choose between her daughters", shit like that. Fuck if I know how they live with themselves; were it my daughter, the dude would be begging for prison to keep me from killing him. My wife has run into him multiple times as he will drop my sister in law off, pick her up, run errands for my father in law, etc. She's learned to deal with it, but it's been tough sometimes.
Predictably, it fucked my wife up awfully. Like many sexual abuse victims, she turned to promiscuity. Cheated on me several times, always tearfully confessed after. We ended up opening our marriage for her, got into hotwifing to remove the sneaking and lying. Of course, a driving force was her unhealthy search for validation, that sexual desire from men made her have some self worth. I hated hotwifing to start with, but was trying desperately to make her happy... to cope, I focused on the sex part, and it became my biggest kink
Well, we took a break at her request. We had another baby, then several more. Somewhere along the way, she decided that she didn't need to seek this kind of validation anymore. Unfortunately, she then choked her sexuality off, and our sex life dried up and got ultra vanilla. This went on for years, and our marriage got worse and worse.
Between this and other issues of me not mattering (my opinions never carried weight, some unhealthy stuff like not wanting me to do things with anyone but her, not wanting me to have hobbies, etc), I finally asked her for a divorce - kids or no. She swore changes, and has been good to her word. She's treated my opinions like they mattered, started encouraging me to actually pursue hobbies and friends, and our sex life has transformed over the last three years or so.
At first, it was obvious that she was doing a lot of things just because I wanted them; she's quite vanilla, I'm quite kinky... but she's a good sport. I wouldn't say that she's herself more kinky, but she's gotten comfortable and has gotten into a lot that we do. Our sex is frequent, and she's learned to relax... even started squirting often now (just couldn't relax enough to do it more than once in a blue moon before). Even so, she tends to view how I think about sex and look forward to it and such as a little odd. For her, she thinks about sex if she's in the mood or in terms of "what are we doing today" or whatever. She tells me that she really doesn't fantasize about sex or whatnot. It's so different from how my mind works, but I try to respect and accept that.
We have a great sex life during the week, but on most weekends, she'll pick a night to do some drinking, really relax her inhibitions, and we have a lot of pretty wild sex, multiple times... all sorts of stuff she used to would never dream of, she'll ask for. Hotwifing is back on the table now, as she knows it's my biggest kink... we're trying to pick through this complicated subject carefully, as I don't want her to feel obligated, don't want her to do this but for the enjoyment, not for proving her self worth or whatever.
Okay, now on to the twisted situation I need advice with.
Saturday night was a drinking night for her. It has been really great so far; we'd both had a good time, had already had sex, both of us had gotten off, etc. A little later on, she was sitting in her recliner, I was fingering her sort of casually while we talked. She'd stroke me, I'd stroke myself, etc.
That day, she'd gone with her sister and her cousin to do some wedding planning stuff for my niece. It had gone well, we'd had a good day after she had gotten home. As mentioned, the sex had been good.
Out of the blue as I'm fingering my wife, she brings up the abuse. Obviously, I feel really awkward, but I always try to be understanding. She starts telling me about the memories, of what he would do to her, of how it made her feel. How she was so innocent (hadn't had her first period when he started, literally knew NOTHING about sex, etc). She doesn't want me to stop the fingering, she doesn't want to ruin things, but she wants to just get some of this out.
I'm talking with her, helping her to verbalize her feelings. I point out how it made her feel ashamed, how it made her feel small, made her feel helpless, made her feel guilty. I hug her, remind her how it wasn't her fault, how he manipulated her and such. She keeps circling back to her feelings about the subject.
Something was there on her face. A concept that I had never once considered in nearly thirty years of discussing the subject off and on suddenly occurred to me. I realized that she was trying to figure out a way to tell me an unspeakable secret.
So I tell her - thinking about that makes you feel ashamed. It makes you feel vulnerable. It makes you feel worthless. And it turns you on, doesn't it?
Instantly, she was soaking wet. She agreed that yes, it did. And she apologized, and got teary, and I just kept talking to her and fingering her. I reassured her that it was okay. That being abused like that at such an impressionable age had to warp some things, cross some wires.
Holy. Fucking. Shit.
This keeps on. She tells me how she saw him today when he dropped off her sister. How he had asked my wife to move her car, and how he came to the window and thanked her after. She told me how it made her feel unreasonably happy that he thanked her like that. And then, she confessed that when he had said it, that she immediately got wet right there.
And then, she's coming and apologizing and telling me how much she hates him and how fucked up this all is. And that if he had told her to get out of the car and bend over, that she would have let him fuck her right there. That she would have come as soon as he started. That we would have given him her ass if he wanted it. Anything he wanted.
And holy shit, the orgasms. She came, she squirted... and this repeated several times. And she cried some and begged my forgiveness and railed at how fucked up she was... and came and squirted some more.
I told her that I loved her. I told her that it was normal for rape victims to be into things like rape play, consensual nonconsent - that by CHOOSING to give that power away, it could actually be theraputic, as they were able to regain power over their sexuality. That such things are actually really common, and that her reaction here was surely a form of that.
But it was surreal. She basically never talks during sex. She never fantasizes. But she kept exploring this, and kept coming again and again and again. Telling me how she was so twisted, how she hated him, but how it was this special thing, he was the first, nothing else was ever quite like that. And told me that she loved me, not him, but that she knew that if he ever wanted to fuck her, she would let him and she would enjoy it. That she desperately would love for him to tell her how good she was, how she was better than her sister. That hearing that would be healing for her, let her know that deep down, she was good enough. Fucked up stuff.
I told her that yes, it was skewed, it was psychological baggage, but that maybe it would be healthy for her to just own it. Just just accept those feelings instead of being ashamed any more. That maybe this was a way to help reclaim this broken part of herself. That I loved her, I understood, that I wasn't judging her or putting her down.
I won't go into every last explicit, kinky detail... but I've never seen her respond to ANYTHING like that. I've never seen her make a mess than comes close to comparing. Her reactions... guilt, euphoria... it was like orgasms to her SOUL. We came back to the subject a little later in the night, and she actually said some things out loud during sex... again, she just doesn't normally (ever?) do that.
I've tried to be very careful since. I've hugged her and told her that I love her, that I am so honored that she would trust me with such an incredibly private, embarrassing thing. She's mortified that she told me, but she has not denied any of it. I have no doubt that she gave me some ugly, unvarnished truth from deep within her psyche.
So, reddit... where do I go from here? She's not even slightly open to therapy or the like. I feel like my best course is to accept and reassure and love and support her. This is twisted as fuck, no doubt about that... but am I wrong for accepting it like this? Is my approach that she should just own it, take charge of it... is that crazy? Does anyone have any good advice for how to handle this going forward, or God forbid, any relevant life experience to share that might give me some insight?
Thanks for listening and responding.
tl;dr - after almost 30 years, my wife has confessed that her sexual abuse as a 12-13 year old doesn't just make her feel dirty and small and guilty... but that it turns her on, and that she's intensely sexually attracted to her abuser. I've accepted her and advised her to just own this and take power over her life and sexuality that way, but would love advice.
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After a filling meal, Gabriel and Madeline got transport arranged back to the Space docks. The ship looked the same as when they left of course, but now that Gabriel saw it from the air and not at a low angle he saw how large it really was. By his best estimates, it was as wide as four or five 747’s and slightly taller, though it sat lower to the ground. As they arrived Cani’s smaller ship was pulled from the ship’s dock. Its wings were folded to fit and almost scraped the sides as they pulled it out. Cani however, was nowhere to be seen so the pair made their way onboard. They were guided to Derthen’s office and knocked on the door.
“Come in.”
They opened the door, Derthen looked up and while he didn’t smile, his fur ridge rose slightly. “Hey dad,” Madeline said as they entered.
“Welcome back, did it go well?” He asked.
“Yes, we got—” Madeline began, but Derthen held up a hand.
“I don’t need to know,” He said, despite the wording, his tone wasn’t dismissive or harsh. “Even if what you want to tell me is no secret, the less that knows the better.”
“Alright,” Madeline said. “We are getting lodging arranged so we will leave the ship, probably today so we need to pack.”
Derthen nodded, “Then I wish you well, take care of yourself, and see me before you leave.” He stood and hugged his daughter. “Gabriel, a word?”
“I’ll start packing,” Madeline said and walked out, closing the door.
“Sir?” Gabriel said.
Derthen sighed, “Take care of my daughter, I would prefer that you don’t drag her around to places like the black market. But, she is as stubborn as her mother on occasion, so just try and keep her and yourself out of trouble.”
“Yes, sir, I’ll do my best.”
“No, your best way of keeping my daughter safe would be giving up on your sister or Mhadeleaine. I hope you will do neither, do your next best,” Derthen said. He even tried a human smile, which looked stiff.
Gabriel smiled back. “That I can promise.”
Derthen walked around his desk and put a hand on Gabriel’s shoulder and moved towards the door. “Good, find your sister, then bring Mhadeleaine home. It’s been quite some time since she brought back a… partner? mate?” He paused and gave Gabriel a questioning look.
“Yes, sir,” Gabriel said, not sure which of the titles fit best.
“Her mother will be pleased, she has already pestered me about getting you to visit.” Derthen opened the door. “Now If you’ll excuse me, I have much work to do.”
“Um, sure,” Gabriel said as the door closed. He stood there confused for a moment before shrugging and heading off to find Madeline. She was in their room, packing bags.
“Hey, that was quick,” she said when he entered.
“Yeah, your father told me to take care of you, then visit your mother before shoving me out the door.” Gabriel grabbed his bag and began packing. He remembered that his phone from earth was still around here somewhere and went scavenging for it.
“Huh, he must like you,” Madeline said grinning.
“You sure? He said maybe two sentences and threw me out.”
“Yeah, but that’s more than most males I brought home. Usually, he stares at them and asks about their finances. What are you looking for?”
“My phone, uh, my earth pcu,” Gabriel said. Madeline opened a drawer and handed him it and Victorias.
“Here’s both.” Madeline went back to her own bag. “As I said, my father is a man of few words. If he talks about anything other than his work it is cause for celebration,” Madeline chirped.
“That so?” Gabriel pressed the power button, finding that his phone still had a little charge, but was in the red. “We got the charger for this as well right?”
“Yeah, the same drawer,” Madeline said. “Can you remember talking with dad about anything other than work or questions you asked?”
Gabriel pulled a round puck-shaped object with two buttons out of the drawer. One button was in the center, one to the side. He pushed the latter and a slot opened, inside were a connector that looked to fit his phone.
“Now that you mention it, no I don’t think I have.” Gabriel plugged his phone in and pressed the central button. the screen on his phone lit up and it started to charge.
“I remember I had to seek him out to tell him about my day or talk about anything other than academics. He isn’t a bad father, I mean he basically forced our government to escort me around when we tried to find you but getting heartfelt conversations out of him is difficult.”
“Speaking of finding me,” Gabriel said as his last clothes went into the bag. “I seem to remember you saying something about your hand when you did.” He walked over and took her left hand. Her artificial ring finger and pinkie curled around his hand.
“Yes, and they are here on Mhinos. After I woke up in the hospital, my dad had them grown, and during our transit, they were shipped here.” Madeline sighed, wiggling her prosthetics. “I’ve kinda grown used to these, I still think they’re cool. But it will be nice to have my own back.”
“I can imagine, and I agree, they are cool,” Gabriel smiled and kissed her hand.
“Maybe I’ll get lucky and we ship out before I can have the procedure?” Madeline smiled and squeezed his hand, kissing it in return.
“Is time not an issue?” Gabriel asked and pulled her close.
“Not, really. Well, I suppose it’s a money issue,” she said, running her free hand over his chest. She rubbed her cheek against his and pulled him close. As Gabriel reached around her waist moving his hands down, but before reaching her shapely posterior she pulled away. “Now help me pack, and we can get back to this– ” she gave Gabriel a very good seductive smile, “–when we get to our lodgings.” She walked over to the wardrobe and began pulling clothes.
Gabriel smiled and sighed simultaneously and walked over to help her, “Tease.”
They quickly got the rest of Madeline’s stuff packed and Gabriel shouldered both bags. “Right I think we got everything. Well except my armor.”
“Oh right, well we have to leave it. I’ll ask dad to deliver it to the new ship, wherever that one is.”
“I suppose walking out in it is not an option?” Gabriel asked, already sure of the answer.
“No, you can’t legally wear it unless you are on a ship where your status is recognized. Or involved with the Security department I suppose. We have to ask.”
“Right,” Gabriel said as they headed towards the airlock. “Should we really leave before we get somewhere to stay?”
“Good point, wouldn’t want you to carry our bags around all evening,” Madeline said chirping. “Let me talk to dad and if we still haven’t heard back from Rik’Tensel we can send a message.”
Gabriel dropped both bags and sat down on the closest couch to Derthen’s office. “Sure, take your time.”
“Thanks,” Madeline said and kissed his cheek before heading into the office.
Gabriel leaned back and picked up his still charging phone. This charger worked wonders, during the 10 minutes while they finished packing it was almost back to full charge. He unplugged it and stuffed the charger in his bag.
Then he took a deep breath and unlocked the phone. No new messages. Gabriel was thankful for that, and at the same time not. Scrolling through the old texts confirmed some of what he already suspected. He had been driving to his parent's house and had picked up Victoria on the way. However, since he didn't have any texts from after telling Victoria he was at her apartment he could not tell if they arrived or not. Sighing and suppressing a pang of nostalgia he began scrolling through his apps. He still had a lot of music, a weather app, one that kept tracks of his physical training…
“I’m an idiot,” Gabriel said to himself. He had all his physical training for the past year on his phone. And a stopwatch. He wondered where Alith and Morthri had disappeared to. He stopped one of the hired security guards. “Hey, have you seen the doctors? Morthri and Alith?”
“I think they are packing up at the clinic,” the guards said.
“Thanks,” Gabriel stood and headed off in that direction. With Deana’s arrest, he had completely forgotten the fact that the doctors hadn’t gotten off the ship. They were in the room with the others planning to get off but stayed behind.
He reached medical and knocked, Alith opened the door and performed a quick bow, “Gabriel, what brings you here?”
“Mostly the fact that I’m an idiot,” Gabriel said and stepped in. “I have a stopwatch on my phone, er, human pcu, I have my training for the entire year before I was taken documented and I happen to know that the port is exactly 3,5 millimeters.” Gabriel held out the phone for them to see. “And while editing photos, I can change the dimensions to show centimeters, you can use that right? Or measure from the screen?”
Morthri and Alith stood stunned for a moment, “Yes… yes we definitely can,” Alith said nodding rapidly. “This is fantastic news, the tests will be more accurate and we can find out what...” he trailed off.
“What?” Gabriel asked.
“Our suspicions will be easier to confirm,” Morthri said. “But before we say anything for sure, we plan to recreate your gravity using a special lab in the Union building to get better measurements, this will expedite the process.”
“Alright, I still want to know what secret you are keeping from me.” While Gabriel trusted the two doctors it still didn’t feel right to be left out.
“What we can tell you now, is that some measurements were off. This was after the first ones you did on US535. We have confirmed that it’s nothing dangerous and in fact, it’s beneficial to your health from what we can tell.” Morthri took a deep breath and sighed. “I would prefer to give you accurate data before telling you more. With you pcu we can have that prepared as early as tomorrow.”
Gabriel gave both a long look before nodding, “Alright,” he removed the passcode from his phone and showed them how to unlock and use it, along with what apps they needed. “I would like all my pictures and music to be sent to my pcu, but those are private so I want to be here for it.”
“Of course, are you willing to give the Union access to some?” Morthri asked.
“We’ll see, I have some nature pictures I wouldn't mind sharing. But I want to be here for the transfer.”
Both doctors nodded, “We will arrange it, tomorrow as well? Oh, and we will need to use the Union’s lab for this.”
“Yea, I suppose that’s fine.” Gabriel nodded again, more to confirm to himself. “Alright, I’ll see you later, call anytime if you find something.”
“Thank you,” Alith said.
Morthi gave him a polite nod as he walked out. Gabriel pondered what he could sell from his phone on the way back. He didn’t have many pictures of people, in fact, he rarely took pictures at all. He was sure Victoria had taken a selfie with his phone with him in it. But he didn’t even have a picture of his parents. He reminded himself that he used to call them every now and then and that pictures weren't his thing. Victoria probably had more, but he didn’t know how to unlock her phone.
Getting back to his bag, Madeline was nowhere to be seen. So probably still talking to her dad. Gabriel sat down again and pulled out his pcu, this time just going over letters and trying to memorize some words. And after just a few minutes of that, he got bored and switched to trying to find out how much money he had.
It took a minute or so to find the correct app, “Alright let’s see here,” Gabriel mumbled to himself. The first was a list of payments, but no numbers. “Test taken on US535, bla, bla bla,” Gabriel mumbles as he skipped over the dates, specifics, time it took, etc. Then he reached a section stating how many hours his tests and records had been worked on. He appeared to received payment depending on not only how many tests he took, but also how long the results were studied. If he read it correctly.
“Looking at anything interesting?” Madeline said. Gabriel had not even noticed her returning.
“Sort of, trying to find out how much money these tests payout.” Gabriel kept scrolling through the substantial rapport, listing results with comparisons to things Gabriel had no reference for.
“Ah, here we go,” Gabriel said as he reached the bottom, “The amount deposited to the account of Gabriel Issac Walker, based on 200 hours of combined research by Morthri Pequen and Alith Sooma, along with the tests performed–Jesus, not more padding–bla bla bla, is… ”
“Is?” Madeline asked.
“Um, how… How much did you say your father made in a year?”
“About 100,000… why?”
“And you have 10 months yeah? 35 days a month?”
“Admittedly I’m not great at Station standard numbers but.” Gabriel read the numbers again. “But this says 8710 does it not?” Gabriel showed her the pcu. Madeline’s eyes widened.
“Yes, it does. Scroll more,” she said.
Gabriel scrolled down to a summary. “Oh, for fuck sake, put the summary at the top,” He complained. “Right, Morthri had worked with my tests for 147 hours with 30 credits and hour. Alith worked with him for 53, that’s 60 an hour then. And three scans and one physical test all pay out 280 each.”
“Huh, I guess we can afford shopping after all,” Madeline said.
“All this as passive income,” Gabriel blew out a long breath. “I guess being the only known alien of a new species pays out.”
“I guess so, not very reliable though. But I suppose sharing some data with the Union would pay even more.”
“Probably,” Gabriel said. “By the way, can I turn numbers into my own? Or why does only text work.”
“Numbers are usually not part of languages, but yeah, someone can probably do that for you,” Madeline said and picked up her bag. “While I talked to dad I got a message from Krihana about a place to stay. There is a nice hotel within walking distance from the Union building.”
“Great,” Gabriel said and stood up. “Are we paying for it?”
“Not tonight, but she wants to arrange something with you tomorrow.”
“Probably more tests, which I am getting sick of by the way. Although they pay nicely.” Gabriel led the way out and stopped at the platform. “Now, how do we go about getting a taxi?”
“A what?”
“Transport to the hotel,” Gabriel said. Then he frowned, “Why didn’t taxi translate?”
“What is it?”
“Basically a service offering transport, either called or just on the streets in many places.”
“We have that I think, but we call it Hired Transport Service, HTS. Well, HTS contains...taksies, flights, and space travel. But we can call one to take us to the hotel.” Madeline said and picked up her pcu.
“Do that, I’d rather not walk,” Gabriel said looking out over the city and barely making out the Union tower in the distance.
Madeline chirped and called for a similar flying transport like the one they rode to the Union building, but not as fancy. Regardless of how much the vehicle cost, they made their way to the hotel without any issues. They stopped at street level and got out, Gabriel got several stares as they walked in. Though he had mostly gotten used to them at this point. He saw a family of Akrons that did indeed almost look similar to the grey aliens of human culture. Granted they were blue, more proportionately built, and had ears. Gabriel tried to ignore the onlookers and picked up the bags before they headed inside. Gabriel followed Madeline up to the reception but let her do the talking while he looked around.
The colors were a bit off, but otherwise, it looked like a human hotel. Gabriel was used to while, black, gold, and red, but here it was more colorful. The walls were white but with colorful abstract paintings, the roof was blue and the floor had several colorful mats. It was a bit over the top but everything was selected and placed carefully and didn’t clash too much. At least not to Gabriel’s untrained eye.
“Here we are, two rooms, number 267 and 268, already paid for,” the Phigos receptionist said as Gabriel began paying attention.
“Thank you,” Madeline said and accepted two square keys. They walked to a thankfully empty elevator.
“I’m not used to so many people staring at me,” Gabriel said after the doors closed.
“You’re a bit different from the pictures,” Madeline said. “And It takes the attention from me,” she added happily. “Not many have seen a Zilgi either, but everyone knows of us.”
“I suppose so, you said you people are just getting civilians to space?”
“More or less yeah, but we’ve had emissaries out for a generation at least. Not to mention pictures of our planet and people. I would love to see some of Earth.” she said and smiled at him. Gabriel in turn froze realizing his phone had exactly that.
“… Um, speaking of pictures,” Gabriel said sheepishly. “I kinda have some on my phone, that I loaned to Alith and Morthri.”
Madeline tensed somewhat, “I see,” she said as the elevator pinged. “And why haven’t you shown them to me?” She folded her arms over her chest and gave Gabriel a very good ‘what do you have to say for yourself young man’ look.’
“I sort of forgot?” Gabriel said. Madeline sighed and walked out ahead. “I’ll promise to show you before handing any off to the Union,” Gabriel said.
“What kind of pictures?” She asked.
“Most are of nature or some interesting things, or from work, serial numbers, and that.”
“Any of your sister?”
“I might have one or two,” Gabriel said as Madeline stopped outside the first room. “Are you mad?”
Madeline sighed, “No, not really, I’m used to you being… what did you call it, scatterbrained?”
“So, as long as you show me all of your pictures, and I mean all of them, I forgive you. If you by some strange reason have pictures of Victoria she wouldn't want anyone to see, I suppose you can avoid those.”
“I love you,” Gabriel said. “And while I’ve seen a few pictures of Zilg, do you have any of your family?”
“No, I had some on my first pcu, but that one disappeared when I was kidnapped. But I can ask my mom for some,” Madeline said as she inserted the key into the first room.
The lock beeped and the door opened. It had a large bed against the left wall, a washroom closer on the left, and a table with two chairs on the right alongside two wardrobes inserted into the wall. It looked like a hotel room you could find pretty much everywhere. Or at least a high-class room as everything looked of high quality. The view was also very nice, looking out over a park and a fountain.
“Huh nice view,” Gabriel said and put the bags down.
“And here’s your key,” Madeline said, smirking and handing him the other.
“As If we’re not sharing,” Gabriel said, looking at the key.
Madeline put a hand to her chest in mock shock, “An ambassador and an emissaries daughter in bed together? People will talk.”
Gabriel narrowed his eyes and smirked, “Good point, see you tomorrow,” he said and picked up his bag.
“Wait, wait, sorry,” Madeline chirped and grabbed his arm.
“No, you make a good point,” Gabriel said, teasing her. He turned around and stepped forwards, almost until they touched, “Unless you have a reason for me to stay?”
“Hmm,” Madeline hummed, she tried to look serious but her fur ridge was standing up, “I may have some exercises to promote cooperation and relations.” She said professionally as she walked around him and locked the door.
“Oh, do tell.”
Madeline tilted her head up almost to kiss him but stepped back and pulled down her pants, then she walked over to the bed while reaching to her back. Her dress fell away and she was left standing in just underwear.
“It involves two partners, one bed and very little clothes.” She sat down, leaning back with one leg over the other. “Interested?”
Gabriel dropped the bag to the floor and began unbuttoning his shirt, “Are you seducing me miss Nioni?”
“Not at all,” Madeline said as her gaze moved up and down Gabriel’s chest. “Like I said, just an exercise.”
“In what, pray tell?” Gabriel moved over to the bed and ran his hands up Madeline’s thighs.
“Foreplay, sex, cuddling and we’ll see if we have time for anything else,” Madeline smiled as she wrapped her arms around his neck. “You in?”
“I will be after foreplay,” Gabriel said.
Madeline chirped and twisted them around, pushing Gabriel down on the bed and straddling his legs. “Your puns I swear,” She unbuttoned his pants and pulled them down. “Now then,” she said and laid down on Gabriel’s chest, their noses almost touching. “The first exercise...”

A/N: As of today I have posted Woke up Kidnapped for an entire year. The first post was Oct 19, 2019. And such this chapter is posted today instead of Wednesday 21. However, as the exam period is rapidly approaching the next chapter I plan to release Nov 4, might be delayed.
Thank you to everyone that has kept reading, upvoting, and commenting, spurring me on to keep this series going.

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2020.10.19 05:34 electra_euripedes Father and daughter secret sex

I don't even know where/how to start this. It literally just happened. I'm sorry; this will be long because it's basically a braindump.
When I was a preteen, my dad asked me if I was in love with him (I'm in my mid-20s now).
I was still in middle school. I had never been in love before so I didn't know the difference between loving someone and being in love with them, although I guess I knew enough to be disgusted by the prospect my love towards him was anything but familial. I remember stuttering out a denial and him suggesting that could be evidence I was lying, because according to him, if I wasn't secretly in love with him, I would have been able to deny the accusation more firmly.
I don't remember how the conversation ended. I don't remember a lot about my life growing up. I know I was severely verbally/emotionally abused by my parents. My siblings tell me I was physically abused by them too (mainly by my father), though the scenes they describe seem too vicious for me to forget. To my knowledge, I wasn't sexually abused by any family members, at least not via molestation or inappropriate touching. The closest I ever got was being forced to strip naked so my dad could spank me with a kitchen utensil (as a punishment for something).
My relationship with my dad remained fractious even after I left for college. While there, I got married and then divorced. I saw psychiatrists and therapists for the first time. I started medication. I matured. When I graduated, I moved back in with my mom and got a full-time job. Unfortunately, about 1.5 years ago, one of my siblings (who was also living with my mom) started exhibiting severe symptoms of BPD. Frequent verbal abuse escalated to several incidents of physical abuse, including one incident in which they gave me a concussion.
I decided I had to move out of my mom's house for my own safety. I went to stay with my dad for a few weeks. It was only intended to be temporary until my sibling calmed down, but then that never happened, so I kept living with my father because we're in one of the most expensive cities in the world and moving out isn't a financial option for me right now (the rate he charges me for rent is a big chunk of my income, but it's still much cheaper than I could get anywhere else around here).
So I've been living with him since early 2019. Sometimes, things are calm, and the rest of the time, they're not. Tonight was particularly bad. His girlfriend stayed with us for the past few days. Without getting into all of the details, she complained I made too much noise while she was trying to sleep (by sitting and watching TV with headphones in...). He completely took her side and wouldn't listen to anything I had to say about compromising. It was a regular disagreement until he brought up how "you [me] always try to destroy all of my relationships".
This has been something he occasionally says over the past few years, because his last two relationships were very toxic and ended dramatically. The last ex was weirdly competitive with me (e.g. scheduling their wedding at a date/time she knew I couldn't attend) and eventually, she gave him an ultimatum: me or her. Apparently, he picked me. The ex before that was actually quite nice most of the time, but she was emotionally unstable behind the scenes (he even had to call the police on her one time because she got so angry for some reason).
Despite all this, he claims those relationships only ended because of my temper - not just that I "made it clear" to his exes that I "never liked them" but also that I purposefully went out of my way to "destroy" the relationships because I'm "jealous" of who he dates and "possessive" of him.
I always get upset when he makes this claim but even moreso tonight - possibly because he's been slightly more inappropriate towards me recently? I suppose in some sense, he has a history of this - for instance, when we watch TV together, he always makes jokes about how excited he is for upcoming sex scenes or how he wishes there were more portrayals of naked women. But like I said, the past few weeks have been worse. Just a few nights ago, he practically pulled me into his bedroom, then forced me to sit next to him on his bed (he was half-naked) and watch a stand-up skit about a guy watching VR porn. Honestly, the comedy was pretty funny, but my dad made a random comment in the middle about me masturbating in the shower??? I didn't quite understand, but it made me feel really uncomfortable, so I outright said that. He just went, "Oh" and played the rest of the video.
In his defense, he had taken his sleeping pills that night and was basically high. But when I brought it up tonight, he claimed he didn't remember saying that, nor could he remember calling me jealous and possessive. He claimed that when he said I was trying to destroy yet another one of his relationships, he didn't mean in it any sort of romantic/sexual way (but he had no response when I questioned how else that could have been intended). He kept telling me I "invented" that idea and that it "came out of your head with your new pattern of putting words I never said in my mouth".
Later, when I asked him to withdraw his claim that I'm obsessed with him and explained how sick I am of having to deny that since I was a preteen, this text exchange happened:
Him: "Never mind. I just once in my life said something that hurt you. And you won't ever let me forget it. Not ever. NEVER. I can't carry on a relationship with you by living in the past. I have no notion that I have a romantic or sexual interest in you. That is all coming from your head, not mine."
Me: "Nope. That is a fucking lie."
Him: "You are the ONLY one that ever brings up the thought. It's never escaped my lips. You keep pretending I've said something like that when I have not. It's insane."
Me: (paraphrased) "Stop gaslighting me. You treat me like I'm a crazy ex, but I'm your daughter. Stop saying these things to me."
Him: "Let me repeat for the record that I have no notion or thought that either of us have any kind of romantic or sexual interest in the other. I am utterly appalled that there is any need to even have this conversation. I did NOT accuse you of being jealous or possessive. This is at least the third time you've LIED about things I said this evening. This new pattern of repeating things I never said is beyond anything I can understand."
And then he transitioned back into accusing me of wanting to destroy his relationship, and then he said it was too late to argue anymore and presumably went to sleep. Whereas I'm sitting here crying, feeling disgusted and also crazy. Maybe I really am the one obsessed with the idea of being in love with him? Maybe his behaviour isn't actually that inappropriate and I honestly am the crazy bitch who ruins his life? Am I overreacting???
I feel the compulsion to point out that I'm not some innocent victim here. I was a difficult child literally from birth. I used to cry all the time as a baby, to the point my mom wanted to throw me out of the window. My dad says I was a hilarious, curious child but as I got older, I became increasingly troubled. In retrospect, I can see that I was suffering from multiple untreated mental illnesses my parents just weren't equipped to handle. They've always described as an abusive child because I would yell at them during arguments and say very hurtful things. Part of me understands this label, but another part of me questions whether a child can truly abuse their parents or whether I only said those things because at some point, human beings snap if they're made to feel like shit so much of the time. Then again, couldn't the same be said for them? Was their abuse just because I pushed them past the breaking point by being a little bitch?
I don't quite know what I expect from posting this. I've read the sub before and even commented a few times but never posted because I guess I feel like I'm too complicit in my own mistreatment - that I deserved it or at least caused it somehow. I'm still in counseling, and while it's been helpful for dealing with more specific traumas (like sexual assault), I'm not sure much progress has been made in terms of my family relationships, mainly because I'm still so integrated with them. But I don't see a way out. I truly can't afford it. Other than moving states/countries, it's just not possible. And even if I had the money, the thought is utterly terrifying. My entire life, for better or worse, my family has been the only constant. I have some work friends, but no one knows me as intimately as my parents do. They always tell me that I'm "too much" as a person - I'm "too much to deal with" or I "expect too much of people". So I'm scared to try and make friends because if my own blood can't love me consistently, why should anyone else bother?
I guess I would like to know how to tell whether or not I'm in love with my father. And also (if this wasn't too long for anyone to read!), if this seems like normal fathedaughter behaviour or whether I seem like I'm abusing him.
Thanks in advance. And even if no one comments, it was probably helpful just to type this all out.
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2020.10.17 22:32 annemoriarty Secret father sex and daughter

Emanuela Orlandi,15-year-old girl, was the daughter of a clerk working at the Prefecture of the Papal Household [that manages the Papal residence in the Vatican] and disappeared in Rome on June 22, 1983. Her disappearance was then linked to the disappearance of another Roman teenager, Mirella Gregori, who disappeared on May 7, 1983 and was never found again. What at first seemed like a common case of two missing girls, soon became one of the darkest cases in Italian and Vatican history, involving the Vatican itself, the Italian State, the Vatican bank , the Magliana Gang [criminal organization], the Banco Ambrosiano [Catholic bank] and the secret services of several countries. The real nature of the events has never been defined.
flyer with photos and info of the girls: https://images.app.goo.gl/ERHHSNA7epWqFgca6
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Mirella Gregori was the youngest daughter of the owners of a bar in Volturno Street in Rome. She lived with her parents and was described by everyone as an absolutely normal girl. She attended a technical high school in Rome. On May 7, 1983, Mirella went to school and returned home around 2pm, after spending some time with a friend in a bar near her home. That friend said they had talked about normal everyday things and could not provide any other information. Back home, Mirella was called on the intercom by someone called "Sandro", who was pretending to be her friend, and to whose requests to go out Mirella exclaimed: "If you don't tell me who you are, I won't come out!". Then she said they could meet at 3pm. Around 3 pm the girl went out, telling her mother that she had an appointment at Porta Pia with an old classmate, who, after being heard by the investigators, declared that he was busy elsewhere that afternoon and had a alibi. Since then, the family has not heard from the girl. The mother reported that her daughter, shortly before she disappeared, bragged to her that she was able to find the money to buy an apartment that her parents could not afford; however, that idea at the time was dismissed as a joke.
Emanuela Orlandi (born in Rome on January 14, 1968) lived in the Vatican city with her parents, brother and sisters: she was the fourth child of five. In June 1983 she had just finished the second year of high school at the Vittorio Emanuele II National Boarding School. She had considerable musical talent and had attended for years a music school in Piazza Sant'Apollinare in Rome, not far from Palazzo Madama [office of the Senate of the Republic]. There she attended piano, flute, choral singing and solfeggio courses.
The day of her disappearance, Emanuela went to music class around 4 pm, but left at 6.45 pm, ten minutes earlier than usual. Then she phoned her older sister Federica from a telephone booth, saying that she would be late because the bus didn't pass and that a man had stopped her on the street offering her a job during a fashion show for the sum of 370,000 lire [about 500 euros today]. It was a job of a few hours as a promoter of cosmetic products of a well-known brand [Avon] during a fashion show in the Sorelle Fontana atelier, in a few days; however, her sister advised her not to heed such a proposal and suggested that she return home as soon as possible to discuss it with their mother. This was the last contact Emanuela had with her family. Later, it was found that the cosmetics company in question - which moreover employed only female staff - had nothing to do with the job offer allegedly made to the young woman and it also turned out that, in the same period, other adolescents of the same age of Emanuela had been lured by a man under the false pretext of advertising cosmetic products at events like fashion shows.
After the phone call, Emanuela together with two classmates (Maria Grazia and Raffaella), reached the bus stop in Corso Rinascimento. According to the girls, Emanuela alluded to a very attractive job offer she received and, warned by them, said that she would first ask permission from her parents and that she would still be careful to avoid nasty surprises. Around 7:30 pm, first Maria Grazia and then Raffaella got on two different buses headed home, while, according to Raffaella, Emanuela didn't get on the bus, because it was too crowded, and said she would wait for the next one. From this moment, all traces of the girl are lost. According to another later version, after the phone call Emanuela confided to Raffaella that she would stay there and wait for the man who had made her the offer, to inform him that she would first ask permission from her parents to participate. Raffaella then reported that she had seen Emanuela (from the bus window) talking to a curly-haired woman, who was never identified, although some suggested that it was most likely some other student of the music school.
When Emanuela didn't come home, her father Ercole and her brother began searching at the music school and in the vicinity of it, they contacted the principal of the school who provided the telephone numbers of some of Emanuela's classmates and advised to wait before alerting the police; nevertheless Ercole Orlandi went immediately to the "Trevi" Commissariat to report her disappearance, but the staff invited him to wait before filing a complaint, suggesting that the girl had stopped for dinner with friends and forgot to call home. The complaint was formalized the following morning (June 23) by her sister Natalina. The next day (24 June) the Roman newspapers "Il Tempo" and "Il Messaggero" published the news of the disappearance and a photograph of the girl, with the plea for help from the family and their telephone numbers.
On June 25, after a series of unreliable phone calls, a interesting phone call arrived from a young man. His name was "Pierluigi", 16 years old. He said that together with his girlfriend he had met two girls in Campo dei Fiori [Roman square]; one of them was selling cosmetics, had a flute with her and said her name was Barbara. "Pierluigi" also reported that "Barbara", at the invitation to play the flute, refused because to do so she had had to wear glasses, which she did not like and had added that she would have preferred a Ray-Ban model like the one that the alleged girlfriend of "Pierluigi" wore.
Three hours later "Pierluigi" called back, adding that "Barbara's" glasses were "teardrop glasses, to correct astigmatism" but refused to meet with Emanuela's family or letting his girlfriend talk to them, claiming that she was distracted and unreliable. These calls appeared reliable to the family, (Emanuela was astigmatic, she was ashamed tof wearing glasses and played the flute). On June 26, "Pierluigi", during another phone-call answered by Emanuele's uncle, added some information about himself: he said that day he was with his parents at a restaurant by the sea. He also communicated that "Barbara" said that she was going to play the flute at her sister's wedding scheduled for September, but refused any further collaboration to track down Emanuela and meet her uncle in person; indeed, when Emanuela's uncle asked him to meet in the Vatican city (at Emanuela's parents' house)"Pierluigi" was surprised and asked the uncle if he was a preist. The investigators found out that among Emanuela's friends there was indeed a boy named Pierluigi, who, however, was on vacation elsewhere at the time of her disappearance.
On June 28 it was the turn of "Mario", who claimed to be the owner of a bar in Rome, near Piazza dell'Orologio [very close to Ponte Vittorio, along the route that Emanuela usually took to go to the music school]. "Mario", who had a strong Roman accent, said he was 35 years old. He claimed to have seen a man and two girls selling cosmetics, one of whom claimed to be from Venice and was called "Barbarella". During the phone call from "Mario" a small detail was significant: when asked about the height of the girl, he hesitated and then said "She's quite tall", but Emanuela was barely 5,2 feet tall. In the background, a second voice was heard, saying "No, more!".
In another phone call, "Mario" explained that "Barbara" had confided to him that she had voluntarily left the house because she was tired of the domestic routine, but that she intended to return at the end of summer, for her sister's wedding. The family, considering this hypothesis impossible, lost faith in the phone calls from "Mario" and "Pierluigi". Years later, it was suggested that "Mario" was a man close to the Magliana Gang [criminal organization], but this hypothesis was never proved.
In the days following Emanuela's disappearance her brother and some friends discovered that a young woman, described as very similar to Emanuela, had been noticed talking to a man (both from a police officer and a traffic policeman on duty in front of the Senate). The man was about 5,7 ft tall, between thirty-five and forty, slender, elegantly dressed, with a long face, balding, he carried a briefcase or bag and drove a green BMW Touring. The policeman claimed there was a casing, perhaps a haversack, in the man's hands.
A collaborator of SISDE [Italian secret services] and friend of Orlandi's cousin, Giulio Gangi, soon managed to track down the "tundra green" BMW; he discovered that it had been repaired (despite being undocumented) by a mechanic from the Vescovio district. A blonde woman had brought the car to this mechanic; the damage involved the breakage of the glass of the right front window, but this breakage did not seem to have been caused by a direct action from the outside towards the inside, it was from the inside towards the outside. Gangi quickly tracked down the woman in question, but she refused to cooperate and on the way back to his office Gangi discovered that his superiors had been informed of what he was doing, despite using fake documents and a fake license plate.
Gangi had also checked the Fontana sisters' atelier, where he was informed that a lot of girls had showed up, deluded to be able to participate as presenters of cosmetics. That possibility was definitely excluded by the director. A year after Emanuela's disappearance, a Roman teenager was lured by a young fake promoter of cosmetics; the man was stopped but turned out to be unrelated to the Orlandi case.
Wikipedia page about the attempted assassination of the Pope (English): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempted_assassination_of_Pope_John_Paul_II
Wikipedia page about the Gray Wolves (English): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_Wolves_(organization)
Wikipedia page of Mehmet Ali Ağca (English): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmet_Ali_A%C4%9Fca
On July 3, 1983, the Pope John Paul II addressed a plea to those responsible for the disappearance of Emanuela Orlandi, formalizing for the first time the hypothesis of the kidnapping. On July 5, a phone call came to the Vatican press office. At the other end of the phone a man, who spoke with a strong Anglo-Saxon accent (and for this reason was immediately renamed by the press "the Amerikano"), claimed to be holding Emanuela Orlandi hostage, arguing that many other elements had already been provided by others members of his organization, "Pierluigi" and "Mario", and requested the activation of a direct phone line with the Vatican. He asked to release by July 20 Mehmet Ali Ağca [turkish terrorist, member of the terroristic organization Grey Wolves, he shot the Pope in St. Peter's Square a couple of years earlier]. An hour later, the man called Orlandi home, and played a tape of the recorded voice of a girl with Roman accent, who repeated a phrase six times, perhaps extrapolated from a longer phrase: «School: Vittorio Emanuele II National Boarding School, it's my third year of high school».
On July 8, a man with a Middle Eastern accent phoned a friend of Emanuela, saying that Emanuela was their prisoner and that they had 20 days to release Ali Ağca, then asked for a direct phone line with the Cardinal Agostino Casaroli [Secretary of State]. The young friend declared that she and Emanuela had exchanged telephone numbers on the same day of her disappearance, to keep in touch for the preparation of a concert, adding that Emanuela had transcribed her number on a piece of paper that she had placed in her jeans pocket. On July 17, a tape was found in which the request for the release of Ağca and the request for a direct phone line with Cardinal Casaroli was confirmed; the voice of a girl on the tape was begging for help, saying she felt ill; it was found that the voice had been extrapolated from a film and was not Emanuela's. The phone line was installed on July 18. A few days later, in another phone call, "the Amerikano" asked Emanuela's uncle to make public the message contained on the tape.
The phone calls from "the Amerikano" were 16, all from telephone booths. Despite the various requests, and the alleged evidence, the man (never traced) did not open any real leads. No evidence was ever produced that the girl was actually hostage of the Gray Wolves, the organization of which Ağca was a member of. In the press release of November 20, 1984, the Gray Wolves declared that they kept Emanuela and Mirella Gregori as prisoners. The "Turkish lead" of the Gray Wolves, however, has been disavowed by 'former Stasi [East German secret services] officer Günter Bohnsack, who stated that the East German secret services exploited the case of Emanuela Orlandi and wrote fake letters to Rome, to consolidate the thesis that connected Ağca with the Gray Wolves, in order to exonerate Bulgaria from the accusations during the investigation into the attack on Pope John Paul II.
On February 2, 2010 Pietro Orlandi, Emanuela's brother, had an interview with Ali Ağca, in which the terrorist confirmed the hypothesis that the kidnapping was orchestrated by the Vatican (already mentioned in the phone call of July 5). He mentioned the name of Cardinal Giovanni Battista Re (considering him a person informed on the facts) and reassured him that "Emanuela is alive and will soon return home". According to the former Gray Wolf, the girl “now lives in a secluded villa in France or Switzerland. She will come back home ». A year later, the recording of the interview was published on the show "Who has seen it?" [Italian true crime show], where they censored the cardinal's name. There, Pietro Orlandi announced that he had spoken with the cardinal himself, that denied the words of the terrorist.
Wikipedia page of Cardinal Battista Re (English): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Battista_Re
According to some newspapers and publications, the identikit of "the Amerikano" corresponds to Monsignor Paul Marcinkus, who at the time was president of the IOR, the Vatican "bank": SISDE specialists, analyzing the messages and phone calls received by the family, for a total of 34 communications, considered them reliable and linked to those who had carried out the kidnapping. The mysterious person had a thorough knowledge of the Latin language, better than Italian, was probably of Anglo-Saxon culture and had a high cultural level and knowledge of the ecclesiastical world and the Vatican, in addition to the in-depth knowledge of different areas of Rome (where he probably had lived).
Wikipedia page of Monsignor Paul Marcinkus (English): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Marcinkus
Wikipedia page of the Gang (English): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banda_della_Magliana
Wikipedia page of De Pedis (English): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrico_De_Pedis
Wikipedia page of Cardinal Poletti (English): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugo_Poletti
Wikipedia page of Roberto Calvi (English): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Calvi
Wikipedia page of Michele Sindona (English): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michele_Sindona
On July 11, 2005, an anonymous phone call arrived at the editorial staff of the program "Who has seen it?" in which it was said that in order to solve the case of Emanuela Orlandi it was necessary to go and see who was buried in the Basilica of Sant'Apollinare. They had to check "the favor that Renatino did to Cardinal Poletti". It was thus discovered that "Renatino", the deceased man buried there, was none other than a boss of the Magliana Gang, Enrico De Pedis. A journalist managed to obtain the photos of the tomb and the original documents relating to the burial of the boss, commissioned by Cardinal Ugo Poletti, then president of the CEI [Bishop Assembly]. On February 20, 2006, a repentant of the Gang, Antonio Mancini, claimed in an interview with a journalist of "Who has seen it?" that he recognized "Mario"'s voice as the voice of a hitman at the service of De Pedis, called Rufetto. However, the investigations conducted by the Public Prosecutor's Office did not confirm Mancini's statement.
A postcard depicting a southern town was then sent to the editorial staff, with the following text: «Leave Renatino alone». The same year Sabrina Minardi, ex-wife of footballer Bruno Giordano, said in an interview that between the spring of 1982 and November 1984 she had a relationship with De Pedis. In 2007 Antonio Mancini released statements relating to the involvement of De Pedis and some Vatican exponents in the disappearence of Emanuela Orlandi, revealing that in prison, at the time of Emanuela's disappearance, "it was said that the girl was ours [of the Gang], one of us had taken her ". Mancini's declarations also seem to be confirmed by Maurizio Abbatino, another repentant of the Gang who, in December 2009, revealed some rumors among the Gang members on the involvement of De Pedis and his men in the kidnapping and murder of Emanuela. In June 2008 the press reported the statements that Minardi had made: Emanuela was killed and her body, locked up in a sack, was thrown into a cement mixer in Torvaianica [Roman district]. On that occasion, according to Minardi, De Pedis also got rid of the body of an 11-year-old boy killed in revenge, Domenico Nicitra, son of a old member of the Gang. Little Nicitra, however, was killed on June 21, 1993, ten years after the time period described by Minardi, and three years after the death of De Pedis himself, which occurred at the beginning of 1990. According to the woman, the abduction of Emanuela would have been materially carried out by De Pedis, at the orders of Monsignor Marcinkus "because they wanted to send a message to someone above them".
In particular, Sabrina Minardi said she arrived by car at the Gianicolo bar, where De Pedis had told her to meet a girl she was supposed to "take to the Vatican gas station". A dark BMW arrived at the meeting, with "Sergio" ( the driver of De Pedis), then a red Renault 5 arrived with a girl called "Teresina" (the housekeeper of Daniela Mobili, a friend of Minardi) and a confused girl on it, recognized by the witness as Emanuela Orlandi. Then, "Sergio" put Emanuela in the BMW that Minardi drove. Left alone in the car with the girl, the woman noticed that she "was crying and laughing together" and "looked like a drug addict." When she arrived at the gas station, she found a man "who looked like a priest" waiting in a Mercedes with a number plate of the Vatican City. They took Emanuela.The girl then spent her imprisonment in Rome, in a house owned by Daniela Mobili (Minardi's friend) in Pignatelli Street, which had "an immense basement that almost reached the San Camillo Hospital" (whose existence, in addition to a small bathroom and an underground lake, was ascertained by the investigators in June 2008). The housekeeper of Daniela Mobili, "Teresina", took care of Emanuela; according to Minardi, Daniela Mobili was close to Danilo Abbruciati, another leading exponent of the Magliana Gang.
Mobili denied knowing Minardi or having a role in the kidnapping, since in those years she was, like her husband, in prison. However, Minardi has referred in the past to the housekeeper "Teresina", who actually worked at the apartment at that time, even though she did not have a driving license. Subsequently, Minardi cited another member of the Gang, who, traced by the police, confessed that the refuge in Pignatelli Street was indeed a hiding place, "but not for the kidnapped, [but] for the wanted. It was the refuge of "Renatino" [De Pedis] », denying the connection between the former boss of the Magliana Gang and the kidnapping of Emanuela Orlandi.
Minardi said she had dinner twice together with De Pedis (at that time already wanted by the police) and Giulio Andreotti [seven time shady Italian Prime Minister] and that it "has nothing to do directly with Emanuela Orlandi, but with Monsignor Marcinkus, yes". Minardi's statements, although they were recognized by investigators as partially inconsistent (due to the woman's drug use in the past), gained more credibility in August 2008, following the discovery of the BMW that Minardi herself said was used for the transport of Emanuela Orlandi and which appeared to have belonged first to Flavio Carboni, an entrepreneur investigated and then acquitted in the trial on the death of Roberto Calvi [Italian banker], and subsequently in one of the Gang members'. The publication of what Minardi said sparked protests from the Vatican, which, through Father Federico Lombardi, spokesman for the Holy Press Office, spoke of "a lack of humanity and respect for the Orlandi family ", and he defined as" false the accusations made against Archbishop Marcinkus, who has been dead for some time and who's unable to defend himself ".
On June 30 of that year the show "Who has seen it?" transmitted the full version of the anonymous phone call of July 2005, left private until that moment. After the revelations on the tombs of De Pedis and Cardinal Poletti, the voice added "And ask the bartender in Montebello Street, that his daughter was also with her ... with the other Emanuela." The bar turned out to belong to the family of S. D. V., a friend of Mirella Gregori. The staff of the program was also threatened by another anonymous phone call from a certain "Blond". On November 21, another interview with Minardi was broadcasted on Rai News 24, where she said that Emanuela Orlandi had spent the first fifteen days of imprisonment in Torvaianica, in the house owned by Minardi's parents.
On March 10, 2010, the existence of a new suspect was announced, it was Sergio Virtù, indicated by Sabrina Minardi as the trusted driver of De Pedis, and who allegedly had a role in the kidnapping of the girl. The man was under investigation for aggravated voluntary homicide and kidnapping. Virtù was arrested on the day of the interrogation for other crimes and transferred to the Regina Coeli prison. He had two previous sentences for fraud crimes. Virtú denied any wrongdoing on the matter, in particular that he had known or had friendly relations with De Pedis. There were also some statements by another woman, defined by the investigators as a former cohabitant, who also allegedly had a role in the kidnapping and had received compensation for this.
In July 2010 the Vicariate of Rome gave the go-ahead for the inspection of the tomb of De Pedis in the Basilica of Sant'Apollinare and the DNA sampling was compared with the DNA of De Pedis's brother, relatives of Emanuela and Antonietta Gregori, Mirella's sister.
In July 2011, the district prosecutor of Rome arrested some members of the De Tomasi family, accused of crimes including usury and money laundering; according to the investigators, Giuseppe De Tomasi, known as "Sergione", affiliated with the Magliana Gang, was the same person who phoned the Orlandi family in 1983, identifying himself with the name "Mario", while his son, Carlo Alberto De Tomasi, was the author of the phone call to the show "Who has seen it?" in 2005. In 1984 De Pedis was arrested in an apartment in Vittorini Street, propriety of Giuseppe De Tommasi. Sergione, as told by the repentant Abbatino, was pardoned by De Pedis and organized his wedding reception in June 1988. He also attended De Pedis funeral. De Tommasi defended himself by saying that he could not have made that call in 1983 because he was in prison. On July 24 Antonio Mancini, in an interview with " La Stampa", stated that Orlandi was actually kidnapped by the Gang to obtain in return the money invested in the IOR [Vatican Bank] through the Banco Ambrosiano [Catholic bank] (as also hypothesized by judge Rosario Priore). Mancini added that he believed they wanted to ask for 20 billion and that it was De Pedis who put an end to the phone calls, despite the fact that the money had not all been returned, but obtaining in exchange, among other things, the possibility of being buried in the Basilica of Sant'Apollinare, as it actually happened later.
On May 14, 2012, the tomb of De Pedis was finally opened but inside there was just the body of the deceased who, as wished by the family, was cremated. It was then excavated more thoroughly, but only small remains of bones (dating back to the Napoleonic period) were found; no traces of Emanuela and Mirella's DNA was found. Four days later, on 18 May, Monsignor Pietro Vergari was investigated for complicity in kidnapping. In October 2015 the GIP [preliminary judge], at the request of the Public Prosecutor's Office and due to lack of consistent evidence, closed the investigation into the disappearances of Emanuela Orlandi and Mirella Gregori, started in 2006 due to the statements of Sabrina Minardi and which found six people under investigation for murder and kidnapping. In 2018 Abbatino revealed that he learned from Claudio Sicilia [member of the Magliana Band] that De Pedis was behind the kidnapping.
“It was for the money he gave to the Vatican. Money ended up in the IOR pockets and was never returned. And there were not only the billions of De Pedis but also the money of the mafia. The murder of Michele Sindona [italian banker and criminal] and that of Roberto Calvi [italian banker] are linked to the Orlandi kidnapping. If the first one is not resolved, the truth about Calvi's alleged suicide and the girl's disappearance will never be solved. In my opinion it was not an order [from the mafia] but a thing done in agreement. I know of Renatino's relations [De Pedis] with Monsignor Casaroli. I can confirm the Gang's relationship with the Vatican. But I have never met Don Vergari. He may also have done charity but he was certainly not Catholic, Renato was a Buddhist. Relations between the Vatican and the Magliana Gang date back to those years [at least to 1976]. And they are due to Franco's [Magliana Gang member] friendships. There was a homosexual boy, his name was Nando. It was him who brought Franco to Casaroli. Casaroli was known. Franco knew him. And I know that this friendship was "inherited" from Renatino."
According to Father Gabriele Amorth [excommunicated priest, exorcist, and all around not a reliable person], Emanuela Orlandi was drugged and then killed in an orgy of pedophiles held in the Vatican. This is the hypothesis that, in an interview released in May 2012 to" La Stampa", was advanced by the man defined by the newspaper as the "world leader of exorcists"; the theory is also published in his book "The Last Exorcist". In the interview, the exorcist stated the following: «As also stated by Monsignor Simeone Duca, Vatican archivist, parties were organized in which a gendarme was also involved as a" recruiter of girls ". I believe that Emanuela ended up as a victim [...] I never believed in the international lead, I have reason to believe that it was a case of sexual exploitation resulting in murder shortly after the disappearance and concealment of the body. The crime also involved diplomatic personnel from a foreign embassy ”. The same hypothesis, with the addition of the involvement of Monsignor Paul Marcinkus, was made by the collaborator of justice Vincenzo Calcara, former mafia affiliate, who reported to the show "Who has seen it ?", in 2014, an alleged statment of a mafia boss, affirming that Orlandi died during a drug and sex party and that she's buried in the Vatican with other alleged young victims.
An anonymous source, in 2005, stated that Emanuela died, perhaps accidentally, following a "convivial meeting" held in a house near the terminal of the bus that the girl took to return home. The house was propriety of a high prelate or a person close to the Vatican, and her body was probably hidden nearby. No proof of this was found.
In June 2011, during a live debate on TV about Pietro Orlandi's book "My sister Emanuela", a man who declared himself a former SISMI [Italian military secret services] agent stated that "Emanuela is alive, she is in an asylum in England and is always sedated" . He added that the cause of the kidnapping was the knowledge by Ercole Orlandi, Emanuela's father, of "dirty" money laundering activities, linking the kidnapping to the death of Calvi [italian banker].
In September 2017, the journalist Emiliano Fittipaldi, author of two other books concerning the Vatican, published "The impostors. Inquiry into power". In May he came into possession of a report dated March 28, 1998 sent by the then leader of the APSA [who administers the patrimony of the Holy See] Cardinal Lorenzo Antonetti (who died three years earlier) to the archbishops Giovanni Battista Re [substitute for the General Affairs of the Secretariat of State] and Jean-Louis Tauran [in charge of Relations with States] titled "Summary report of the expenses incurred by the Vatican City state for the activities relating to the citizen Emanuela Orlandi" and in the first paragraph reads: "The Administrative Prefecture of the Patrimony of the Apostolic See has received a mandate to draw up a summary document of the economic services necessary to support the activities carried out following the kidnapping and the subsequent events of the citizen Emanuela Orlandi. "
The document, which would prove that the girl was alive, was allegedly stolen in the night between 29 and 30 March 2014, from the safe in an armored cabinet of the Prefecture of Economic Affairs, which was under the responsibility of the secretary Monsignor Lucio Ángel Vallejo Balda. Balda was arrested on November 2, 2015, as part of the so-called Vatileaks 2, for providing confidential information for the publication of the book "Via Crucis" by Gianluigi Nuzzi (which ended up under investigation together with Fittipaldi who had written "Avarizia") and was then pardoned by the Pope. Francesca Chaoqui, a member of COSEA [Pontifical referent for the organization of the economic-administrative structure] under Balda's control until his arrest, revealed that in the safe, in addition to the dossier on Orlandi, there were also dossiers on Michele Sindona [criminal and banker] and Umberto Ortolani [shady banker] (as also confirmed by Monsignor Alfredo Abbondi, head of the Prefecture office), on the IOR and on the political expenses of Pope John Paul II during the Cold War and she also said that the theft was faked by Balda himself.
The report in Fittipaldi's possession was typewritten with a font dating back twenty years, it did not contain official stamps and therefore could also be a fake. It listed the expenses between January 1983 (six months before the disappearance) and July 1997 for a total sum of 483 million lire [around 250000 euros] used to investigate at the Atelier Fontana (from which the girl made the last call home before her disappearance), then they investigated the secretary of State Agostino Casaroli, the president of the CEI Cardinal Ugo Poletti, the boarding and lodging at the Catholic student hostel in London, Emanuela's travel and medical expenses, the trips to London by senior representatives of the Vatican [...].
In June 2017, the Orlandi family had already filed an application to be able to view "a dossier kept in the Vatican" (Pietro Orlandi had learned of its existence in February / March according to their lawyer). Monsignor Angelo Becciu (substitute for General Affairs of the secretariat) denied its existence, however, Cardinal Re assured that "the secretariat of state (of which he was substitute in 1997) had nothing to hide" and on the phone with Fittipaldi stopped the conversation.
In October 2018, the Vatican permitted the DNA analysis on some bones found during restoration work at the Vatican Nunciature in Rome. The investigations, entrusted by the Holy See to Italy, and in particular to the Rome prosecutor and the scientific police, were aimed at comparing those bones with Emanuela Orlandi's DNA. However, the bones found in the Nunciature did not belong to Emanuela Orlandi, nor to Mirella Gregori. From the analysis of the Scientific police the bones of the Nunciature undoubtedly dated back to a period prior to 1964. And above all they were attributable to the skeleton of a man. On 11 July 2019, a further inspection was carried out in two graves in the Teutonic cemetery, those of Princess Sofia of Hohenlohe-Waldenburg-Bartenstein and Princess Carlotta Federica of Mecklenburg-Schwerin, following specific leads. But no human remains were found inside.
documentary (Italian): https://youtu.be/ObQCgKGivqc
Wikipedia pages (English):
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2020.10.17 17:49 Britneyfan456 Which Male Actor had the best run in the 60s?

It could be the best in terms of anything
Paul Newman: The Hustler, Cool Hand Luke, Exodus, From the Terrace, Paris Blues, Hud, Hemingway's Adventures of a Young Man, Sweet Bird of Youth, Harper, Lady L, Hombre, Torn Curtain, Winning, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, The Secret War of Harry Frigg, The Prize, What a Way to Go!, The Outrage, and A New Kind of Love.
Gregory Peck: To Kill a Mockingbird, Mackenna's Gold, The Chairman, Cape Fear, Captain Newman, M.D., How the West Was Won, Behold a Pale Horse, Marooned, Mirage, Arabesque, The Stalking Moon, and The Guns of Navarone.
Steve McQueen: The Sand Pebbles, The Great Escape, Love with the Proper Stranger, The Magnificent Seven, The Thomas Crown Affair, The Cincinnati Kid, Bullitt, The Honeymoon Machine, The Honeymoon Machine, The War Lover, Soldier in the Rain, Nevada Smith, Baby the Rain Must Fall, and The Reivers.
Dustin Hoffman: The Graduate, Midnight Cowboy, The Tiger Makes Out, Madigan's Millions, and John and Mary.
Peter O Toole: Lawrence of Arabia, Becket, The Lion in Winter, Goodbye, Mr. Chips, Kidnapped, The Day They Robbed the Bank of England, The Savage Innocents, What's New Pussycat?, The Sandpiper, Lord Jim, How to Steal a Million, The Bible: In the Beginning..., Casino Royale, The Night of the Generals, and Great Catherine.
Henry Fonda: How the West Was Won, Firecreek, Once Upon a Time in the West, Madigan, The Boston Strangler, Fail Safe, Sex and the Single Girl, The Longest Day, Advise & Consent, Spencer's Mountain, The Dirty Game, In Harm's Way, A Big Hand for the Little Lady, Welcome to Hard Times, The Best Man, The Rounders, Battle of the Bulge, and Yours, Mine and Ours.
Toshiro Mifune: Shinsengumi, The Battle of the Japan Sea, Red Lion, Safari 5000, Hell in the Pacific, Samurai Banners, The Day the Sun Rose, Admiral Yamamoto, Japan's Longest Day, The Sands of Kurobe, Samurai Rebellion, Grand Prix, The Mad Atlantic, The Adventure of Kigan Castle, Rise Against the Sword, The Sword of Doom, Fort Graveyard, The Retreat from Kiska, Sanshiro Sugata, Samurai Assassin, Red Beard, Legacy of the 500,000, The Lost World of Sinbad, Whirlwind, Chūshingura: Hana no Maki, Yuki no Maki, Attack Squadron!, High and Low, Yojimbo, The Youth and his Amulet, Sanjuro, Tatsu, Three Gentlemen Return from Hong Kong, Salaryman Chushingura Part 1 & 2, The Story of Osaka Castle, The Youth and his Amulet, Ánimas Trujano, The Last Gunfight, The Gambling Samurai, The Bad Sleep Well, Man Against Man, and Storm Over the Pacific.
Montgomery Clift: Judgment at Nuremberg, The Misfits, Freud: The Secret Passion, The Defector, and Wild River.
Burt Lancaster: Judgment at Nuremberg, Birdman of Alcatraz, Elmer Gantry, Seven Days in May, The Leopard, The Professionals, The Unforgiven, The Young Savages, The List of Adrian Messenger, A Child Is Waiting, The Hallelujah Trail, The Train, The Swimmer, The Scalphunters, Castle Keep, and The Gypsy Moths.
Marlon Brando: Mutiny on the Bounty, The Fugitive Kind, One-Eyed Jacks, Morituri, The Chase, Bedtime Story, The Ugly American, Reflections in a Golden Eye, Candy, The Appaloosa, The Night of the Following Day, Burn!, and A Countess from Hong Kong.
Tony Curtis: Captain Newman, M.D., The Boston Strangler, Sex and the Single Girl, Spartacus, Pepe, The Rat Race, The Great Impostor, The List of Adrian Messenger, 40 Pounds of Trouble, Paris When It Sizzles, The Outsider, Taras Bulba, Goodbye Charlie, Not with My Wife, You Don't!, The Great Race, Wild and Wonderful, Boeing Boeing, Chamber of Horrors, On My Way to the Crusades, I Met a Girl Who..., Rosemary's Baby, Drop Dead Darling, Don't Make Waves, Monte Carlo or Bust!, and Who Was That Lady?.
Robert Redford: The Chase, Tall Story, Situation Hopeless... But Not Serious, War hunt, Inside Daisy Clover, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, Barefoot in the Park, This Property Is Condemned, Tell Them Willie Boy Is Here, and Downhill Racer.
Anthony Perkins: Tall Story, Psycho, The Trial, Phaedra, Pretty Poison, Five Miles to Midnight, Goodbye Again, The Fool Killer, Une ravissante idiote, Le glaive et la balance, The Champagne Murders, and Is Paris Burning?.
John Huston: Candy, The List of Adrian Messenger, The Cardinal, Casino Royale, and The Bible: In the Beginning
John Wayne: How the West Was Won, The Sons of Katie Elder, The Longest Day, True Grit, El Dorado, Cast a Giant Shadow, The War Wagon, The Green Berets, The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, Hatari!, North to Alaska, The Alamo, The Comancheros, The Greatest Story Ever Told, Circus World, Hellfighters, and The Undefeated.
Jack Lemmon: The Great Race,Pepe, The Apartment, The Wackiest Ship in the Army, The Notorious Landlad, Days of Wine and Roses, Under the Yum Yum Tree, Irma la Douce, How to Murder Your Wife, Good Neighbor Sam, Luv, The Fortune Cookie, The Odd Couple, and The April Fools.
Marcello Mastroianni: 8 1/2, La Dolce Vita, La Notte, Yesterday, Today and Tomorrow, Divorce Italian Style, Marriage Italian Style, The 10th Victim, Adua and Her Friends, Il bell'Antonio, Ghosts of Rome, La Notte, Family Diary, Family Diary, The Organizer, Kiss the Other Sheik, Me, Me, Me... and the Others, Casanova 70, Shoot Loud, Louder... I Don't Understand, The Poppy Is Also a Flower, Ghosts – Italian Style, Amanti, Break Up, The Stranger, and Diamonds for Breakfast.
James Stewart: How the West Was Won, Firecreek, The Flight of the Phoenix, The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, Cheyenne Autumn, The Mountain Road, Two Rode Together, Mr. Hobbs Takes a Vacation, Take Her, She's Mine, Shenandoah, Dear Brigitte, Bandolero!, and The Rare Breed.
Robert Mitchum: What a Way to Go!, Cape Fear, The Longest Day, El Dorado, Home from the Hill, The Sundowners, A Terrible Beauty, Two for the Seesaw, The Last Time I Saw Archie, The Grass Is Greener, The Way West, Mister Moses, Rampage, Man in the Middle, Anzio, 5 Card Stud, Villa Rides, The Good Guys and the Bad Guys, Secret Ceremony, and Young Billy Young.
Robert Duvall: Captain Newman, M.D., True Grit, To Kill a Mockingbird, Bullitt, The Chase, Nightmare in the Sun, Countdown, and The Detective.
Jean-Paul Belmondo: Breathless, That Man from Rio, Seven Days... Seven Nights, Trapped by Fear, Classe Tous Risques, The Lovemakers, Two Women, Lettere di una novizia, Love and the Frenchwoman, Le Doulos, Famous Love Affairs, Cartouche, A Man Named Rocca, Mare matto, The Winner, Sweet and Sour, Banana Peel, A Monkey in Winter, Backfire, Greed in the Sun, Weekend at Dunkirk, The Shortest Day, Magnet of Doom, Tender Scoundrel, Is Paris Burning?, Casino Royale, Male Hunt, Crime on a Summer Morning, Pierrot le Fou, Up to His Ears, Ho!, The Brain, Mississippi Mermaid, and Love Is a Funny Thing.
Kirk Douglas: Seven Days in May, The List of Adrian Messenger, Spartacus, Is Paris Burning?, The War Wagon, The Way West, Lonely Are the Brave, The Heroes of Telemark, Town Without Pity, The Last Sunset, For Love or Money, The Hook, The Arrangement, The Legend of Silent Night, The Brotherhood, A Lovely Way to Die, and Cast a Giant Shadow.
Charles Bronson: The Magnificent Seven, The Great Escape, Battle of the Bulge, Villa Rides, Guns of Diablo, X-15, The Bull of the West, 4 for Texas, Lola, Once Upon a Time in the West, Guns for San Sebastian, The Dirty Dozen, A Thunder of Drums, Kid Galahad, Master of the World, The Sandpiper, This Property Is Condemned, The Meanest Men in the West, and Adieu l'ami.
Orson Welles: Casino Royale, Is Paris Burning?, The Trial, Kampf um Rom, The Thirteen Chairs, The Merchant of Venice, Battle of Neretva, Tepepa, The Southern Star, I'll Never Forget What's'isname, A Man for All Seasons, David and Goliath, La Fayette, Austerlitz, Crack in the Mirror, The Tartars, The V.I.P.s, Chimes at Midnight, In the Land of Don Quixote, Marco the Magnificent, House of Cards, The Immortal Story, and Oedipus the King.
William Holden: Paris When It Sizzles, The Wild Bunch, The World of Suzie Wong, The Lion, Satan Never Sleeps, The Counterfeit Traitor, Casino Royale, The Devil's Brigade, The 7th Dawn, Alvarez Kelly, and The Christmas Tree.
Frank Sinatra: Cast a Giant Shadow, The Detective, 4 for Texas, The Manchurian Candidate, Tony Rome, Pepe, The Devil at 4 O'Clock, The Road to Hong Kong, Sergeants 3, Come Blow Your Horn, None but the Brave, Paris When It Sizzles, Lady in Cement, The Oscar, Assault on a Queen, The Naked Runner, Von Ryan's Express, Marriage on the Rocks, and Robin and the 7 Hoods.
Elvis Presley: G.I. Blues, Kid Galahad, Wild in the Country, Follow That Dream, Blue Hawaii, It Happened at the World's Fair, Girls! Girls! Girls!, Fun in Acapulco, Roustabout, Viva Las Vegas, Kissin' Cousins, Frankie and Johnny, Girl Happy, Harum Scarum, Tickle Me, Clambake, Easy Come, Easy Go, Double Trouble, Stay Away, Joe, Live a Little, Love a Little, Speedway, Change of Habit, The Trouble with Girls, Charro!, Spinout, and Paradise, Hawaiian Style.
Edmond O'Brien: The Wild Bunch, The Longest Day, The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, Fantastic Voyage, The Great Impostor, The Last Voyage, The 3rd Voice, Birdman of Alcatraz, Man-Trap, Moon Pilot, Sylvia, Rio Conchos, The Hanged Man, The Outsider, Synanon, The Doomsday Flight, The Love God?, Flesh and Blood, The Viscount, and To Commit a Murder.
Ben Johnson: The Wild Bunch, The Rare Breed, The Undefeated, Hang 'Em High, Cheyenne Autumn, Will Penny, One-Eyed Jacks, Ten Who Dared, Tomboy and the Champ, and Major Dundee.
Warren Oates: The Wild Bunch, The Rise and Fall of Legs Diamond, The Rounders, Ride the High Country, Private Property, Mail Order Bride, Hero's Island, In the Heat of the Night, Welcome to Hard Times, The Shooting, Return of the Seven, Smith!, Crooks and Coronets, The Split, Something for a Lonely Man, and Lanton Mills.
Sidney Poitier: In the Heat of the Night, Lilies of the Field, A Patch of Blue, To Sir, With Love, A Raisin in the Sun, Guess Who's Coming to Dinner, Paris Blues, The Long Ships, Pressure Point,All the Young Men, The Bedford Incident, The Greatest Story Ever Told, The Slender Thread, Duel at Diablo, For Love of Ivy, and The Lost Man.
Rod Steiger: The Longest Day, In the Heat of the Night, The Pawn broker, Doctor Zhivago, No Way to Treat a Lady, Three into Two Won't Go, Seven Thieves, The Mark, 13 West Street, World in My Pocket, Convicts 4, Time of Indifference, Hands over the City, A Man Named John, The Loved One, The Girl and the General, The Sergeant, and The Illustrated Man.
Ernest Borgnine: The Dirty Dozen, The Wild Bunch, The Legend of Lylah Clare, Pay or Die, The Last Judgment, Barabbas, The Italian Brigands, McHale's Navy, The Flight of the Phoenix, The Oscar, The Split, A Bullet for Sandoval, Ice Station Zebra, Chuka, Go Naked in the World, Black City, and Man on a String.
George Kennedy: The Boston Strangler, Charade, Strait-Jacket, McHale's Navy, The Sons of Katie Elder, The Dirty Dozen, Shenandoah, The Flight of the Phoenix, Guns of the Magnificent Seven, The Good Guys and the Bad Guys, Cool Hand Luke, The Little Shepherd of Kingdom Come, The Man from the Diners' Club, The Silent Witness, McHale's Navy, Mirage, Hush...Hush, Sweet Charlotte, Island of the Blue Dolphins, In Harm's Way, Hurry Sundown, Bandolero!, The Ballad of Josie, Gaily, Gaily, and The Pink Jungle.
Strother Martin: McLintock!, The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, Cool Hand Luke, Hurry Sundown, Sanctuary, Shenandoah, Harper, Nevada Smith, The Sons of Katie Elder, The Wild Bunch, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, True Grit, An Eye for an Eye, The Flim-Flam Man, Showdown, Invitation to a Gunfighter, and The Deadly Companions.
Clint Eastwood: The Dollars Trilogy, Hang 'Em High, Where Eagles Dare, The Witches, Coogan's Bluff, and Paint Your Wagon.
Eli Wallach: How the West Was Won, The Magnificent Seven, The Misfits, The Tiger Makes Out, Lord Jim, How to Steal a Million, A Lovely Way to Die, Seven Thieves, The Good, the Bad and the Ugly, Genghis Khan, The Poppy Is Also a Flower, How to Save a Marriage and Ruin Your Life, Ace High, Hemingway's Adventures of a Young Man, The Brain, Mackenna's Gold, Kisses for My President, Act One, The Moon-Spinners, and The Victors.
Lee Van Cleef: The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, For a Few Dollars More, The Good, the Bad and the Ugly, Posse from Hell, The Big Gundown, Sabata, Death Rides a Horse, Commandos, Day of Anger, and Beyond the Law.
Richard Burton: The Sandpiper, Where Eagles Dare, Ice Palace, The Longest Day, The Bramble Bush, Zulu, Becket, Cleopatra, What's New Pussycat?, The Night of the Iguana, The Spy Who Came In from the Cold, Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?, The Taming of the Shrew, Candy, Boom!, The Comedians in Africa, The Comedians, Doctor Faustus, Staircase, and Anne of the Thousand Days.
Paul Scofield: A Man for all Seasons, The Train, and Tell Me Lies.
Warren Beatty: All Fall Down, Splendor in the Grass, Bonnie and Clyde, Lilith, The Roman Spring of Mrs. Stone, Mickey One, Promise Her Anything, and Kaleidoscope.
Albert Finney: Tom Jones, The Entertainer, Saturday Night and Sunday Morning, Two for the Road, The Victors, Night Must Fall, Charlie Bubbles, and The Picasso Summer.
Lee Marvin: Hell in the Pacific, The Professionals, The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, The Comancheros, Paint Your Wagon, Point Blank, The Killers, Donovan's Reef, Cat Ballou, Ship of Fools, Sergeant Ryker, and Hell in the Pacific.
Anthony Quinn: Behold a Pale Horse, Barabbas, Zorba the Greek, Lawrence of Arabia, Guns for San Sebastian, The Rover, San Sebastian 1746 in 1968, The Secret of Santa Vittoria, A Dream of Kings, The 25th Hour, The Happening, Lost Command, Marco the Magnificent, The Visit, A High Wind in Jamaica, Heller in Pink Tights, The Savage Innocents, Portrait in Black, The Guns of Navarone, The Magus, and The Shoes of the Fisherman.
Michael Caine: Hurry Sundown, The Magus, Zulu, The Ipcress File, Alfie, The Italian Job, Deadfall, Funeral in Berlin, Billion Dollar Brain, Battle of Britain, Gambit, The Wrong Box, Woman Times Seven, Play Dirty, Foxhole in Cairo, Solo for Sparrow, The Wrong Arm of the Law, The Bulldog Breed, and The Day the Earth Caught Fire.
Rex Harrison: Cleopatra, My Fair Lady, Doctor Dolittle, The Happy Thieves, Midnight Lace, The Agony and the Ecstasy, The Yellow Rolls-Royce, Staircase, The Honey Pot, and A Flea in Her Ear.
Sean Connery: The Longest Day, Dr. No, Marnie, Goldfinger, From Russia with Love, Macbeth, The Frightened City, On the Fiddle, Anna Karenina, Shalako, The Red Tent, You Only Live Twice, Un monde nouveau, The Hill, A Fine Madness, Thunderball, Woman of Straw, and The Bowler and the Bunnet.
Spencer Tracy: Judgment at Nuremberg, Guess Who's Coming to Dinner, Inherit the Wind, The Devil at 4 O'Clock, and It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World.
Chishû Ryû: Late Autumn, Otoko wa Tsurai yo, The Human Bullet, Japan's Longest Day, The End of Summer, An Autumn Afternoon, The Human Condition 3, and The Last War.
Martin Balsam: Psycho, A Thousand Clowns, Trilogy, The Good Guys and the Bad Guys, Around the World of Mike Todd, Me, Natalie, Around the World of Mike Todd, Hombre, Among the Paths to Eden, After the Fox, Harlow, The Bedford Incident, Seven Days in May, Suspense, Youngblood Hawke, Everybody Go Home, Breakfast at Tiffany's, Ada, Cape Fear, Route 66, and Who's Been Sleeping in My Bed?.
Alan Bates: Zorba the Greek, Georgy Girl, Far from the Madding Crowd, Women in Love, King of Hearts, The Fixer, The Entertainer, Zorba the Greek, Nothing but the Best, Whistle Down the Wind, A Kind of Loving, The Caretaker, and The Running Man.
Alain Delon: Is Paris Burning?, Famous Love Affairs, Rocco and His Brothers, Purple Noon, The Leopard, Le Samouraï, The Yellow Rolls-Royce, Lost Command, L'Eclisse, The Joy of Living, The Devil and the Ten Commandments, Love at Sea, Carom Shots, Any Number Can Win, Joy House, The Unvanquished, Once a Thief, Texas Across the River, Adieu l'ami, Jeff, The Sicilian Clan, La Piscine, Spirits of the Dead, The Girl on a Motorcycle, The Last Adventure, and Diabolically Yours.
Peter Sellers: What's New Pussycat?, Casino Royale, Woman Times Seven, Dr. Strangelove, Lolita, The Millionairess, Never Let Go, Two-Way Stretch, The Wrong Arm of the Law, The Dock Brief, The Pink Panther, Only Two Can Play, Mr. Topaze, Waltz of the Toreadors, Heavens Above!, A Shot in the Dark, The World of Henry Orient, A Carol for Another Christmas, Casino Royale, Woman Times Seven, The bobo, The Party, The Magic Christian, and I Love You, Alice B. Toklas.
George C. Scott: The List of Adrian Messenger, The Hustler, Not with My Wife, You Don't!, The Flim-Flam Man, Dr. Strangelove, The Power and the Glory, The Crucible, The Yellow Rolls-Royce, The Bible: In the Beginning..., This Savage Land, and Petulia.
Walter Matthau: Charade, Fail Safe, The Fortune Cookie, The Odd Couple, Strangers When We Meet, Lonely Are the Brave, Mirage, Ensign Pulver, Island of Love, Who's Got the Action?, Candy, Cactus Flower, Hello, Dolly!, The Secret Life of an American Wife, and A Guide for the Married Man.
Jean-Louis Trintignant: Z, A Man and a Woman, The Great Silence, Austerlitz, Horace 62, Un homme à abattre, La Longue marche, Trans-Europ-Express, Le Combat dans l'île, So Sweet... So Perverse, L'Américain, Mata Hari, Agent H21, Journey Beneath the Desert, Il Sorpasso, Col cuore in gola, Death Laid an Egg, Les Biches, My Love, My Love, The Man Who Lies, Metti, una sera a cena, My Night at Maud's, The Libertine, The Sleeping Car Murders, Diamond Safari, Spotlight on a Murderer, Nutty, and Naughty Chateau.
Max von Sydow: The Greatest Story Ever Told, Shame, Hour of the Wolf, The Virgin Spring, Through a Glass Darkly, Bröllopsdagen, 4x4, Winter Light, Hawaii, Adventures of Nils Holgersson, The Mistress, Made in Sweden, The Passion of Anna, The Quiller Memorandum, Svarta palmkronor, The Reward, and Here Is Your Life.
Richard Attenborough: The Sand Pebbles, The Great Escape, Doctor Dolittle, The Angry Silence, Upgreen – And at 'Em, The Dock Brief, Only Two Can Play, The League of Gentlemen, All Night Long, Séance on a Wet Afternoon, The Third Secret, The Flight of the Phoenix, Only When I Larf, Guns at Batasi, The Magic Christian, Oh! What a Lovely War, and The Bliss of Mrs. Blossom.
Melvyn Douglas: Hud, Hotel, The Crucible, Companions in Nightmare, Rapture, Inherit the Wind, Lamp At Midnight, Advance to the Rear, A Very Close Family, The Americanization of Emily, and Billy Budd.
Woody Strode: Spartacus, The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, Sergeant Rutledge, The Last Voyage, Two Rode Together, The Sins of Rachel Cade, Che!, Once Upon a Time in the West, Boot Hill, Genghis Khan, Shalako, Black Jesus, The Professionals, Tarzan's Three Challenges, and 7 Women.
Yûsuke Kawazu: The River Fuefuki, Ken, Manji, Kiri no Hata, Cruel Story of Youth, Genocide, Fighting Elegy, and Black Lizard.
John Cassavetes: The Dirty Dozen, Rosemary's Baby, A Child Is Waiting, The Killers, Devil's Angels, Roma come Chicago, If It's Tuesday, This Must Be Belgium, Machine Gun McCain, and The Webster Boy.
Laurence Harvey: The Outrage, Kampf um Rom, The Manchurian Candidate, The Ceremony, The Alamo, The Long and the Short and the Tall, BUtterfield 8, Walk on the Wild Side, The Wonderful World of the Brothers Grimm, The Running Man, A Girl Named Tamiko, Darling, Of Human Bondage, Summer and Smoke, Two Loves, The Doctor and the Devil, Rebus, The Spy with a Cold Nose, The Magic Christian, L'assoluto naturale, The Charge of the Light Brigade, A Dandy in Aspic, Life at the Top, The Outrage, and The Winter's Tale.
Omar Sharif: Mackenna's Gold, Behold a Pale Horse, Lawrence of Arabia, Doctor Zhivago, The Poppy Is Also a Flower, The Fall of the Roman Empire, Funny Girl, More Than a Miracle, Che!, Mayerling, Trois hommes sur un cheval, The Appointment, Genghis Khan, The Yellow Rolls-Royce, El mamalik, The Night of the Generals, Lawet El Hub, Nahna el talamiza, Gharam el assiad, Hobi al-Wahid, The Beginning and the End, The River of Love, A Rumor of Love, and There is a Man in our House.
George Peppard: How the West Was Won, Breakfast at Tiffany's, The Carpetbaggers, House of Cards, Home from the Hill, The Victors, The Subterraneans, P.J.,What's So Bad About Feeling Good?, Pendulum, Operation Crossbow, The Third Day, Tobruk, Rough Night in Jericho, and The Blue Max.
James Garner: The Great Escape, Grand Prix, Duel at Diablo, 36 Hours, The Pink Jungle, A High Wind in Jamaica, The Magnificent Seven, Hour of the Gun, The Americanization of Emily, Cash McCall, The Children's Hour, Boys' Night Out, Action on the Beach, The Art of Love, Grand Prix: Challenge of the Champions, The Thrill of It All, Move Over, Darling, The Wheeler Dealers, Marlowe, Support Your Local Sheriff!, The Man Who Makes the Difference, Once Upon a Wheel, The Racing Scene, A Man Could Get Killed, How Sweet It Is!, and Mister Buddwing.
Donald Pleasence: The Great Escape, The Night of the Generals, You Only Live Twice, Creature of Comfort, Will Penny, Fantastic Voyage, The Greatest Story Ever Told, The Hallelujah Trail, The Caretaker, Suspect, No Love for Johnnie, The Shakedown, The Flesh and the Fiends, The Hands of Orlac, Hell Is a City, The Wind of Change, Circus of Horrors, Sons and Lovers, The Big Day, Dr. Crippen, Cul-de-sac, The Inspector, What a Carve Up!, Eye of the Devil, Matchless, Arthur? Arthur!, The Other People, The Madwoman of Chaillot, A Story of David, and Spare the Rod.
James Coburn: Charade, The Americanization of Emily, The Magnificent Seven, Hell Is for Heroes, The Great Escape, Our Man Flint, In Like Flint, The Man from Galveston, The Murder Men, Hell Is for Heroes, What Did You Do in the War, Daddy?, Duffy, Candy, The President's Analyst, Dead Heat on a Merry-Go-Round, Waterhole No. 3, Major Dundee, A High Wind in Jamaica, The Loved One, and Hard Contract.
Cary Grant: Charade, The Grass Is Greener, That Touch of Mink, Walk, Don't Run, and Father Goose.
Horst Buchholz: The Magnificent Seven, One, Two, Three, Fanny, Nine Hours to Rama, Marco the Magnificent, The Empty Canvas, Ankle Bone, Cervantes, That Man in Istanbul, Johnny Banco, and How, When and with Whom.
Jackie Gleason: Soldier in the Rain, The Hustler, Gigot, Requiem for a Heavyweight, Skidoo, Papa's Delicate Condition, How to Commit Marriage, and Don't Drink the Water.
Arthur Kennedy: Lawrence of Arabia, Barabbas, Hemingway's Adventures of a Young Man, Claudelle Inglish, Cheyenne Autumn, Murder, She Said, Anzio, Shark!, A Minute to Pray, a Second to Die, Hail, Hero!, Nevada Smith,Murieta, Fantastic Voyage, Attack and Retreat, Joy in the Morning, Monday's Child, and Day of the Evil Gun.
Peter Finch: Kidnapped, The Trials of Oscar Wilde, The Day, No Love for Johnnie, In the Cool of the Day, I Thank a Fool, Girl with Green Eyes, The Pumpkin Eater, The Flight of the Phoenix, Judith, First Men in the Moon, Far from the Madding Crowd, 10:30 P.M. Summer, Come Spy with Me, The Greatest Mother of Them All, The Legend of Lylah Clare, and The Red Tent.
Hugh Griffith: How to Steal a Million,Exodus, Mutiny on the Bounty, Oliver!, The Counterfeit Traitor, The Citadel, Point of Departure, The Day They Robbed the Bank of England, The Inspector, Tom Jones, Term of Trial, The Poppy Is Also a Flower, Hide and Seek, The Bargee, The Amorous Adventures of Moll Flanders, On My Way to the Crusades, I Met a Girl Who..., Oh Dad, Poor Dad, Mamma's Hung You in the Closet and I'm Feelin' So Sad, The Sailor from Gibraltar, The Fixer, Il marito è mio e l'ammazzo quando mi pare, and Brown Eye, Evil Eye.
Jason Robards: A Big Hand for the Little Lady, Hour of the Gun, Long Day's Journey into Night, A Thousand Clowns, Act One, By Love Possessed, Isadora, Tender Is the Night, Divorce American Style, A Big Hand for the Little Lady, The St. Valentine's Day Massacre, Any Wednesday, Once Upon a Time in the West, and The Night They Raided Minsky's.
George Seagel: The Southern Star, No Way to Treat a Lady, Invitation to a Gunfighter, Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?, Lost Command, The Quiller Memorandum, The St. Valentine's Day Massacre, King Rat, Act One, The Young Doctors, The Bridge at Remagen, The Girl Who Couldn't Say No, Bye Bye Braverman, and The New Interns.
Rod Taylor: Chuka, The Time Machine, Sunday in New York, The Glass Bottom Boat, 36 Hours, The Birds, Hotel, Nobody Runs Forever, The Hell with Heroes, One Hundred and One Dalmatians, Seven Seas to Calais, Colossus and the Amazon Queen, Dark of the Sun, The Liquidator, Young Cassidy, Fate Is the Hunter, Do Not Disturb, and A Gathering of Eagles.
Robert Ryan: Ice Palace, Billy Budd, The Longest Day, The Wild Bunch, The Dirty Dozen, Battle of the Bulge, The Professionals, Anzio, Captain Nemo and the Underwater City, A Minute to Pray, a Second to Die, Hour of the Gun, Custer of the West, The Busy Body, The Canadians, King of Kings, and The Crooked Road.
Christopher Plummer: Battle of Britain, The Sound of Music, The Fall of the Roman Empire, Inside Daisy Clover, The Royal Hunt of the Sun, Lock Up Your Daughters, Nobody Runs Forever, Oedipus the King, The Night of the Generals, and Triple Cross.
Michel Piccoli: Le Doulos, Contempt, Diary of a Chambermaid, La Guerre Est Finit, Les Creatures, The Young Girls of Rochefort, Belle De Jour, Danger: Diabolik, Dillinger is Dead, The Milky Way, Topaz, Lady L, The Day and the Hour, Masquerade, L'Invitée, Climats, Les Petits Drames, Adieu Philippine, La dragée haute, Le Bal des espions, Amazons of Rome, All About Loving, The Sleeping Car Murders, The War Is Over, The Game Is Over, Belle de Jour, Benjamin, Shock Troops, La Chamade, and La Prisonnière.
Tatsuya Nakadai: When a Woman Ascends the Stairs, Yojimbo,The Human Condition: A Soldier's Prayer, Immortal Love, Sanjuro, Harakiri ,High and Low, Kwaidan, The Sword of Doom, The Face of Another, Samurai Rebellion, Kill!, Goyokin, Portrait of Hell, Get 'em All, Daughters, Wives and a Mother ,Miren, A Woman's Life, Pressure of Guilt, Love Under the Crucifix, The Blue Beast, The Other Women, Kumo ga chigieru toki, Hakari, The Legacy of the 500,000, Saigo no shinpan, Blood End, Arijigoku sakusen, Kwaidan, Saigo no shinpan, Fort Graveyard, Cash Calls Hell, Illusion of Blood, Kojiro, The Age of Assassins, The Daphne, Today We Kill... Tomorrow We Die!, Rengō Kantai Shirei Chōkan: Yamamoto Isoroku, Blood End, Hitokiri, Eiko's 5000 Kilograms, and The Battle of the Japan Sea.
James Mason: Lolita, Duffy, Mayerling, The Sea Gull, Age of Consent, The Blue Max, Stranger in the House, The Deadly Affair, Georgy Girl, The Fall of the Roman Empire, The Pumpkin Eater, Genghis Khan, Lord Jim, The Uninhibited, Hero's Island, Torpedo Bay, Tiara Tahiti, The Trials of Oscar Wilde, The Marriage-Go-Round, and Escape from Zahrain.
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