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I grew up in a very hippie-esque household. I was homeschooled most of my life, so honestly I didn’t experience much sexualization of my body until I was in my mid teens and was catcalled for the first time. My dad passed away when I was a baby so I don’t know if our lifestyle would have been the same if he were alive, but it was totally normal for my mom, sisters, and I to walk around topless, and occasionally nude if we had just gotten out of the shower. We also all sun bathe nude (at nude beaches or at home).
Since I’ve been in college, I’ve totally respected my roommates’ boundaries and comfort so I always make sure to cover up. However, (before COVID) I would frequent nude beaches in the summer to sun bathe.
A few weeks ago I started dating this guy. I’ve been friends with him for about a year, but I guess my nude practices never came up in conversation. We were getting lunch the other day and I casually mentioned that I can’t wait for the pandemic to be over so I can go back to the (nude) beach. He recognized the name and asked if I felt uncomfortable being around so many naked people. I retorted that I wasn’t, and that I preferred not having tan lines.
All the color seemed to drain from his face, and he started interrogating me on how often I frequent the beach, how many people are around, how long I’ve been going there, etc... He also accused me of hiding it from him. He then added that he wasn’t ok with me continuing my sunbathing practice and added that even wearing a bikini to the beach would be a stretch for him.
So I quipped that he could keep wearing his swim trunks and that I didn’t mind.
He became upset by my joke, and told me I wasn’t respecting him. He added that since he was my first boyfriend that he expected that no one had “seen me yet.” He spent the rest of the conversation basically insinuating that I was a slut for going to a nude beach, and that he has some kind of right to my body.
I told him I felt very objectified and his behavior wasn’t ok and he was acting controlling. He became more upset and told me that I wasn’t respecting him as my boyfriend, that I was trying to walk all over him, and if I cared about him I wouldn’t put my “goods” on display for all the world to see.
At this point I just walked away. I felt and still feel really gross by that whole conversation. I really just feel like he sees me as some kind of sex object that’s his possession. However, when I talked to a few of my girl and guy friends, a few sided with me, but most of them said they wouldn’t go to a nude beach (the guys said they’d feel uncomfortable with their girlfriends going). So now I feel extremely conflicted. My sister told me I should dump his ass, and that it’s not like I’ve been going to the beach while we were together. There was no way of me knowing it would bother him, he’s upset by my past. However, some of my friends say that he’s very protective of me and doesn’t want other guys to sexualize me (even though that’s what he’s doing?).
So reddit, AITA?
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2020.09.10 16:17 rovnrev Topless teen beach

People:
Alan Dershowitz, Wilbur Ross, Rudy Giuliani, Steve Mnunchin, Kenneth Starr, Alex Acosta, William Barr, Steve Bannon, Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew all connected to both Trump and Epstein.
The Trump administration is FULL of Epstein connections.


Modeling:
Trump runs Miss Universe Organization along with Miss USA and Miss Teen USA from 1996 to 2017. Source Trump runs Trump Model Management from 1999 to 2017 Source.
Epstein sets up his own modeling agency, saying 'I want to set up my modeling agency the same way Trump set up his modeling agency.' Source 1 Source 2 Source 3
Proximity:
Epstein is associated with two residences and one office with 1.5 miles of Trump Tower in NYC:
Epstein mansion near Mar-A-Lago in Palm Beach
Trump's Mar-A-Lago was used by Maxwell and Epstein to recruit underage Virginia Roberts:
Its all in the docs
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Timeline of Donald J Trump association with Jeffrey Epstein, and Ghislane Maxwell.
1985
Late 1980's
Trump told New York magazine in 2002 that he had known Epstein for 15 years, suggesting they met around 1987.
Source
1989
1990
Trump reportedly told a former adviser, Roger Stone, that when he visited Epstein's home the pool was filled with girls. Trump said he thought it was nice that Epstein let "the neighborhood kids use his pool".
Q. Now, Mr. Trump had a home in Palm Beach, correct? A. Uh-huh. Q. So he didn't come and stay there, did he? A. No, never. Q. He would come for a meal? A. He would come, have dinner. He never sat at the table. He eat with me in the kitchen. Q. Did he ever have massages while he was there? A. No. Because he's got his own spa.
1991
Stacy Wilkes competed in the 1991 [Look of the Year] contest as a sixteen-year-old, representing the United States. She remembers Trump coming into their dressing area during the contest, more than once. “I would feel really uncomfortable, because every time we would change, it was like Trump would find a reason to come backstage to see all the teenagers,” she told us. “When you’re doing a runway show, they have to strip you down and change you....There was no need for him to be back there.” Trump never tried to justify his presence backstage but would just walk in and start making jokes. The girls didn’t feel that they were free to complain. “We were afraid to say anything bad when he was around because we didn’t want anything to hurt our chances of winning,” Wilkes said. “We were all young teenagers.” Wilkes’s roommate ended up spending the night with one of the celebrity judges, Wilkes said, and later won one of the prizes. “He was gropey...he had his hands in the most inappropriate places, always,” [NaKina] Carr said. [Editor’s note: NaKina Carr was working as a runway model for Oscar de la Renta.] “When he went in to kiss someone, the hand always went to either the hip or the butt. He was also really good when he did pictures or when he’d side-hug someone. He’d always get his hand on the boob. Every time.” Stories about Trump and his hands circulated within the modeling community. At one modeling event, Trump allegedly went down a line of women feeling their bodies to guess their dress size. Backstage at a lingerie show, he is said to have moved his hands all over a model’s breasts under the guise of inspecting the bra’s fabric
1992
In 1992, the women were flown in for a "calendar girl" competition that Trump had requested, the former Trump associate, George Houraney, told The Times. "At the very first party, I said, 'Who's coming tonight? I have 28 girls coming,'" Houraney said. "It was him and Epstein." He added: "I said: 'Donald, this is supposed to be a party with VIPs. You're telling me it's you and Epstein?'" Houraney also apparently once warned Trump about Epstein. "Look, Donald, I know Jeff really well, I can't have him going after younger girls," Houraney recalled telling Trump. "He said: 'Look I'm putting my name on this. I wouldn't put my name on it and have a scandal.'" Houraney had a falling out with Trump after his girlfriend accused Trump of making unwanted sexual advances in the early 1990s.
1994
The Plaintiff, Katie Johnson, alleges she was subject to extreme sexual and physical abuse by the Defendants, Donald J. Trump and Jeffrey E. Epstein, including forcible rape during a four month time span covering the months of June-September 1994 when Plaintiff Johnson was still only a minor of age 13. The Plaintiff, Katie Johnson, alleges she was enticed by promises of money and a modeling career to attend a series of underage sex parties held at the New York City residence of Defendant Jeffrey E. Epstein and attended by Defendant Donald J. Trump.
1995
“This is a good one, right?” Epstein asked the future president, who allegedly smiled and nodded before sharing a chuckle with the depraved hedge funder. Doe’s lawsuit does not accuse Trump of any sexual misconduct.
1996
Trump entered the Miss Teen USA changing room where girls as young as 15 were in various states of undress. “He just came strolling right in,” Dixon said. “There was no second to put a robe on or any sort of clothing or anything. Some girls were topless. Others girls were naked. Our first introduction to him was when we were at the dress rehearsal and half-naked changing into our bikinis.”
1997
In an interview last week with The Post, Mark Epstein said Trump flew on the plane “numerous times” but said he was only present for one flight. “They were good friends,” Mark Epstein said. “I know [Trump] is trying to distance himself, but they were.” He added that Trump used to comp Epstein’s mother and aunt at one of Trump’s Atlantic City casino hotels. When a Post reporter sought further details, Mark Epstein hung up.
Trump unexpectedly entered the Miss Teen USA dressing room, the reigning Miss Universe, Brook Antoinette Mahealani Lee, recalls Trump asking her about the looks of his daughter Ivanka, who was co-hosting the pageant. “‘Don’t you think my daughter’s hot? She’s hot, right?'” Mahealani Lee recalls Trump saying.
1998
Several models who worked for Epstein associate Jean-Luc Brunel, who allegedly helped procure for him underage girls, tell of being taken to swank parties at Mar-a-Lago. Zoe Brock, a New Zealander who quit Brunel’s agency in Paris in 1991 after, she says, she was on the receiving end of his unwanted sexual advances at age 17, still has the wristband from when, while with another agency, she and other young girls and women were taken together on a bus from Miami to Mar-a-Lago in 1998. At 24, she was one of the eldest women on the bus to Mar-a-Lago, many she is sure were underage.
1999
“And the other interesting thing is Trump had a modeling agency, and Epstein also had a stake in a modeling agency, which they suspect he used to bring in underage girls from overseas,” Brown said. “There is a comment in one of the court files where Epstein is quoted as saying, ‘I want to set up my modeling agency the same way Trump set up his modeling agency.’ I don’t know what that means, but it is curious he was trying to do something similar to Trump.”
2000
“He’s not pretentious,” says Trump. “He’s a lot of fun to be with.” Maxwell seemed to think so too.
'I remember flying on Trump's plane from LaGuardia to Palm Beach, with Trump and Melania and some of his relatives on board,' the writer said. 'Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, and the girl in question were late for the appointed take off time, which is why I remember it so well. 'What I do remember thinking about the girl though is that she was pretty, attractive. She was of an indeterminate age, though I realized she was young - I thought she could be anywhere from 15 to 20. 'She seemed to want to go unnoticed, she didn't talk to anybody and decided to be a wallflower while we were on the plane.
2002
Epstein likes to tell people that he’s a loner, a man who’s never touched alcohol or drugs, and one whose nightlife is far from energetic. And yet if you talk to Donald Trump, a different Epstein emerges. “I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,” Trump booms from a speakerphone. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”
Some of the businessmen who dine with him at his home—they include newspaper publisher Mort Zuckerman, banker Louis Ranieri, Revlon chairman Ronald Perelman, real-estate tycoon Leon Black, former Microsoft executive Nathan Myhrvold, Tom Pritzker (of Hyatt Hotels), and real-estate personality Donald Trump—sometimes seem not all that clear as to what he actually does to earn his millions. Certainly, you won’t find Epstein’s transactions written about on Bloomberg or talked about in the trading rooms. “The trading desks don’t seem to know him. It’s unusual for animals that big not to leave any footprints in the snow,” says a high-level investment manager.
2003
Where: East Side townhouse Table seats: 30 Guest list: Mort Zuckerman, Google co-founder Sergey Brin, David Blaine, Donald Trump, Leslie Wexner of the Limited, disgraced British Cabinet minister Peter Mandelson, Bill Clinton aide Doug Band Menu: Private chef, though last month Rocco DiSpirito cooked dinner after Epstein bid $50,000 for his services at a Hamptons charity. Make it MY place: Epstein hates restaurants, so he often entertains at home. “The dialogues are so engaging that serving even the most extraordinary food sometimes seems inappropriate, like eating pizza at the ballet,” he says. “I had rich shock!” one stunned guest says about Epstein’s house, which the owner claims is the largest private dwelling in the city. At a recent dinner organized by Ghislaine Maxwell, Blaine amused a group of barely clad models with card tricks. Alas, Clinton—around whom the evening had been organized—never showed, though his Secret Service would have appreciated Epstein’s numerous security cameras.
2004
"Can you imagine the sex with this troubled teen?" said Stern. "Yeah, you're probably right," Trump said. "She's probably deeply troubled and therefore great in bed. How come the deeply troubled women, you know, deeply, deeply troubled, they're always the best in bed?"
2005
The Trump campaign did not offer a response to either story, but in a 2005 appearance on Howard Stern’s show, Trump bragged about doing exactly what the women describe. “I’ll go backstage before a show, and everyone’s getting dressed and ready and everything else,” he said.
2006
2007
Meanwhile, the Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach last night confirmed a Web site report that Epstein has been banned there. “He would use the spa to try to procure girls. But one of them, a masseuse about 18 years old, he tried to get her to do things,” a source told us. “Her father found out about it and went absolutely ape-[bleep]. Epstein’s not allowed back.” Epstein denies he is banned from Mar-a-Lago and says, in fact, he was recently invited to an event there.
Another club member explained that Trump "kicked Epstein out after Epstein harassed the daughter of a member. The way this person described it, such an act could irreparably harm the Trump brand, leaving Donald no choice but to remove Epstein," A footnote in the book says the authors were shown the club's registry from more than a decade earlier and that Epstein in fact had been a member until October 2007.
Nunberg, told the Times that Trump was well aware of Epstein’s sordid sexual history, but only took action to distance himself after the public found out about his behavior. According to Nunberg, when he tried to raise concerns about Trump’s ties to Epstein during the 2016 campaign, Trump insisted he had sufficiently distanced himself from his former friend, telling Nunberg, “I kicked him out of the clubs when this stuff became public, and I made sure NBC knew.”
2008
2009
He said in a recent interview that he had served subpoenas on many connected people in 2009, and that Trump was “the only person who picked up the phone and said, ‘Let’s just talk. I’ll give you as much time as you want.’” Edwards added that Trump “was very helpful, in the information that he gave,” calling it “good information that checked out and that helped us.” And, he said, Trump “gave no indication whatsoever that he was involved in anything untoward whatsoever.”
When asked about a subpoena served to Trump in 2009, Garten said it "never happened." The subpoena called for Trump to give a deposition in a case against Epstein; Garten's denial baffled Brad Edwards, one of Virginia Roberts' attorneys. "There is no debate over what happened," Edwards told VICE news. "I served Mr. Trump with a subpoena for deposition in 2009. He talked to me voluntarily, and consequently we withdrew the subpoena in light of his voluntarily providing information…. I can't imagine there being any dispute of any of this."
2010
Q: Have you ever had a personal relationship with Donald Trump? A. What do you mean by "personal relationship," sir? Q. Have you socialized with him? A. Yes, sir. Q. Yes? A. Yes, sir. Q. Have you ever socialized with Donald Trump in the presence of females under the age of 18? A: Though I'd like to answer that question, at least today I'm going to have to assert my Fifth, Sixth, and 14th Amendment rights, sir.
2015
In the week or so leading up to his CPAC speech, David Pecker, who owned the Enquirer until it was sold in ruin earlier this year, visited Trump on the 26th floor of Trump Tower, bringing along an issue with a Prince Andrew and Epstein-related cover, according to people familiar with the meeting. Pecker, of course, was in the business of protecting Trump. An early supporter of his presidential campaign, Pecker has helped “catch and kill” at least two stories involving the real estate mogul and women who claimed to have had affairs with him. After the meeting Trump called in Sam Nunberg, then a Trump Organization employee, who saw Pecker leaving Trump’s office. “Michael was sitting in there when I came in, and the issue of the National Enquirer with the pictures of Prince Andrew was on his desk,” Nunberg recalled. “He said not to tell anyone, but that Pecker had just been there and had brought the issue with him. Trump said that Pecker had told him that the pictures of Clinton that Epstein had from his island were worse.” (Cohen, speaking by phone from the Federal Correctional Institution in Otisville, corroborated Nunberg’s version of the events, though he declined to add any additional information about the meeting.) During the meeting with Pecker, Trump went on about how Epstein was known for this behavior, according to a person familiar with the conversation.
2017
Back in 2008, when Alex Acosta was U.S. attorney for the Southern District of Florida, his office secretly cut a sweetheart deal for child rapist and sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein. Now Acosta has been watching as increasingly damning evidence piles up, revealing that he was responsible for letting Epstein off the hook the first time around
2018
Mr. Epstein called and asked if I’d like to have dinner that Saturday with him and Woody Allen. I said I’d be out of town. A few weeks after that, he asked me to join him for dinner with the author Michael Wolff and Donald J. Trump’s former adviser, Steve Bannon.
Barr was asked if he would investigate the handling of a decade-old Florida plea deal that let Epstein escape responsibility for his conduct. He said he thought his former law firm was involved in the case so he might have to recuse.
2019
“I can understand people who immediately, whose minds went to sort of the worst-case scenario because it was a perfect storm of screw-ups,” Barr told the AP
2020
The president bolstered his legal team Friday with attorneys Alan Dershowitz and Kenneth Starr, who helped Epstein evade prison time in a now infamously lenient plea deal with Palm Beach prosecutors. Epstein originally faced multiple charges of soliciting and trafficking underage girls, but escaped with just 13 months of house arrest in a deal that caused Trump’s Labor Secretary Alex Acosta to resign under pressure last year. Barr’s father was the headmaster of an elite New York City school that hired college dropout Epstein to teach math and physics. Do these circumstances amount to a conflict of interest requiring mandatory recusal? Barr, apparently after consulting with career ethics officials at DOJ, concluded they did not.
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Are these just coincidences? Lots and lots of coincidences?
People:
Alan Dershowitz, Wilbur Ross, Rudy Giuliani, Steve Mnunchin, Kenneth Starr, Alex Acosta, William Barr, Steve Bannon, Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew all connected to both Trump and Epstein.
The Trump administration is FULL of Epstein connections.

Modeling:
Epstein used modeling agent Jean-Luc Brunel to source underage girls Source
Trump runs Miss Universe Organization along with Miss USA and Miss Teen USA from 1996 to 2017. Source Trump runs Trump Model Management from 1999 to 2017 Source.
Epstein sets up his own modeling agency, saying 'I want to set up my modeling agency the same way Trump set up his modeling agency.' Source 1 Source 2 Source 3
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Timeline of Donald J Trump association with Jeffrey Epstein, and Ghislane Maxwell.
1985
Late 1980's
Trump told New York magazine in 2002 that he had known Epstein for 15 years, suggesting they met around 1987.
Source
1989
1990
Trump reportedly told a former adviser, Roger Stone, that when he visited Epstein's home the pool was filled with girls. Trump said he thought it was nice that Epstein let "the neighborhood kids use his pool".
Q. Now, Mr. Trump had a home in Palm Beach, correct? A. Uh-huh. Q. So he didn't come and stay there, did he? A. No, never. Q. He would come for a meal? A. He would come, have dinner. He never sat at the table. He eat with me in the kitchen. Q. Did he ever have massages while he was there? A. No. Because he's got his own spa.
1991
Stacy Wilkes competed in the 1991 [Look of the Year] contest as a sixteen-year-old, representing the United States. She remembers Trump coming into their dressing area during the contest, more than once. “I would feel really uncomfortable, because every time we would change, it was like Trump would find a reason to come backstage to see all the teenagers,” she told us. “When you’re doing a runway show, they have to strip you down and change you....There was no need for him to be back there.” Trump never tried to justify his presence backstage but would just walk in and start making jokes. The girls didn’t feel that they were free to complain. “We were afraid to say anything bad when he was around because we didn’t want anything to hurt our chances of winning,” Wilkes said. “We were all young teenagers.” Wilkes’s roommate ended up spending the night with one of the celebrity judges, Wilkes said, and later won one of the prizes. “He was gropey...he had his hands in the most inappropriate places, always,” [NaKina] Carr said. [Editor’s note: NaKina Carr was working as a runway model for Oscar de la Renta.] “When he went in to kiss someone, the hand always went to either the hip or the butt. He was also really good when he did pictures or when he’d side-hug someone. He’d always get his hand on the boob. Every time.” Stories about Trump and his hands circulated within the modeling community. At one modeling event, Trump allegedly went down a line of women feeling their bodies to guess their dress size. Backstage at a lingerie show, he is said to have moved his hands all over a model’s breasts under the guise of inspecting the bra’s fabric
1992
In 1992, the women were flown in for a "calendar girl" competition that Trump had requested, the former Trump associate, George Houraney, told The Times. "At the very first party, I said, 'Who's coming tonight? I have 28 girls coming,'" Houraney said. "It was him and Epstein." He added: "I said: 'Donald, this is supposed to be a party with VIPs. You're telling me it's you and Epstein?'" Houraney also apparently once warned Trump about Epstein. "Look, Donald, I know Jeff really well, I can't have him going after younger girls," Houraney recalled telling Trump. "He said: 'Look I'm putting my name on this. I wouldn't put my name on it and have a scandal.'" Houraney had a falling out with Trump after his girlfriend accused Trump of making unwanted sexual advances in the early 1990s.
1994
The Plaintiff, Katie Johnson, alleges she was subject to extreme sexual and physical abuse by the Defendants, Donald J. Trump and Jeffrey E. Epstein, including forcible rape during a four month time span covering the months of June-September 1994 when Plaintiff Johnson was still only a minor of age 13. The Plaintiff, Katie Johnson, alleges she was enticed by promises of money and a modeling career to attend a series of underage sex parties held at the New York City residence of Defendant Jeffrey E. Epstein and attended by Defendant Donald J. Trump.
1995
“This is a good one, right?” Epstein asked the future president, who allegedly smiled and nodded before sharing a chuckle with the depraved hedge funder. Doe’s lawsuit does not accuse Trump of any sexual misconduct.
1996
Trump entered the Miss Teen USA changing room where girls as young as 15 were in various states of undress. “He just came strolling right in,” Dixon said. “There was no second to put a robe on or any sort of clothing or anything. Some girls were topless. Others girls were naked. Our first introduction to him was when we were at the dress rehearsal and half-naked changing into our bikinis.”
1997
In an interview last week with The Post, Mark Epstein said Trump flew on the plane “numerous times” but said he was only present for one flight. “They were good friends,” Mark Epstein said. “I know [Trump] is trying to distance himself, but they were.” He added that Trump used to comp Epstein’s mother and aunt at one of Trump’s Atlantic City casino hotels. When a Post reporter sought further details, Mark Epstein hung up.
Trump unexpectedly entered the Miss Teen USA dressing room, the reigning Miss Universe, Brook Antoinette Mahealani Lee, recalls Trump asking her about the looks of his daughter Ivanka, who was co-hosting the pageant. “‘Don’t you think my daughter’s hot? She’s hot, right?'” Mahealani Lee recalls Trump saying.
1998
Several models who worked for Epstein associate Jean-Luc Brunel, who allegedly helped procure for him underage girls, tell of being taken to swank parties at Mar-a-Lago. Zoe Brock, a New Zealander who quit Brunel’s agency in Paris in 1991 after, she says, she was on the receiving end of his unwanted sexual advances at age 17, still has the wristband from when, while with another agency, she and other young girls and women were taken together on a bus from Miami to Mar-a-Lago in 1998. At 24, she was one of the eldest women on the bus to Mar-a-Lago, many she is sure were underage.
1999
“And the other interesting thing is Trump had a modeling agency, and Epstein also had a stake in a modeling agency, which they suspect he used to bring in underage girls from overseas,” Brown said. “There is a comment in one of the court files where Epstein is quoted as saying, ‘I want to set up my modeling agency the same way Trump set up his modeling agency.’ I don’t know what that means, but it is curious he was trying to do something similar to Trump.”
2000
“He’s not pretentious,” says Trump. “He’s a lot of fun to be with.” Maxwell seemed to think so too.
'I remember flying on Trump's plane from LaGuardia to Palm Beach, with Trump and Melania and some of his relatives on board,' the writer said. 'Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, and the girl in question were late for the appointed take off time, which is why I remember it so well. 'What I do remember thinking about the girl though is that she was pretty, attractive. She was of an indeterminate age, though I realized she was young - I thought she could be anywhere from 15 to 20. 'She seemed to want to go unnoticed, she didn't talk to anybody and decided to be a wallflower while we were on the plane.
2002
Epstein likes to tell people that he’s a loner, a man who’s never touched alcohol or drugs, and one whose nightlife is far from energetic. And yet if you talk to Donald Trump, a different Epstein emerges. “I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,” Trump booms from a speakerphone. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”
Some of the businessmen who dine with him at his home—they include newspaper publisher Mort Zuckerman, banker Louis Ranieri, Revlon chairman Ronald Perelman, real-estate tycoon Leon Black, former Microsoft executive Nathan Myhrvold, Tom Pritzker (of Hyatt Hotels), and real-estate personality Donald Trump—sometimes seem not all that clear as to what he actually does to earn his millions. Certainly, you won’t find Epstein’s transactions written about on Bloomberg or talked about in the trading rooms. “The trading desks don’t seem to know him. It’s unusual for animals that big not to leave any footprints in the snow,” says a high-level investment manager.
2003
Where: East Side townhouse Table seats: 30 Guest list: Mort Zuckerman, Google co-founder Sergey Brin, David Blaine, Donald Trump, Leslie Wexner of the Limited, disgraced British Cabinet minister Peter Mandelson, Bill Clinton aide Doug Band Menu: Private chef, though last month Rocco DiSpirito cooked dinner after Epstein bid $50,000 for his services at a Hamptons charity. Make it MY place: Epstein hates restaurants, so he often entertains at home. “The dialogues are so engaging that serving even the most extraordinary food sometimes seems inappropriate, like eating pizza at the ballet,” he says. “I had rich shock!” one stunned guest says about Epstein’s house, which the owner claims is the largest private dwelling in the city. At a recent dinner organized by Ghislaine Maxwell, Blaine amused a group of barely clad models with card tricks. Alas, Clinton—around whom the evening had been organized—never showed, though his Secret Service would have appreciated Epstein’s numerous security cameras.
2004
"Can you imagine the sex with this troubled teen?" said Stern. "Yeah, you're probably right," Trump said. "She's probably deeply troubled and therefore great in bed. How come the deeply troubled women, you know, deeply, deeply troubled, they're always the best in bed?"
2005
The Trump campaign did not offer a response to either story, but in a 2005 appearance on Howard Stern’s show, Trump bragged about doing exactly what the women describe. “I’ll go backstage before a show, and everyone’s getting dressed and ready and everything else,” he said.
2006
2007
Meanwhile, the Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach last night confirmed a Web site report that Epstein has been banned there. “He would use the spa to try to procure girls. But one of them, a masseuse about 18 years old, he tried to get her to do things,” a source told us. “Her father found out about it and went absolutely ape-[bleep]. Epstein’s not allowed back.” Epstein denies he is banned from Mar-a-Lago and says, in fact, he was recently invited to an event there.
Another club member explained that Trump "kicked Epstein out after Epstein harassed the daughter of a member. The way this person described it, such an act could irreparably harm the Trump brand, leaving Donald no choice but to remove Epstein," A footnote in the book says the authors were shown the club's registry from more than a decade earlier and that Epstein in fact had been a member until October 2007.
Nunberg, told the Times that Trump was well aware of Epstein’s sordid sexual history, but only took action to distance himself after the public found out about his behavior. According to Nunberg, when he tried to raise concerns about Trump’s ties to Epstein during the 2016 campaign, Trump insisted he had sufficiently distanced himself from his former friend, telling Nunberg, “I kicked him out of the clubs when this stuff became public, and I made sure NBC knew.”
2008
2009
He said in a recent interview that he had served subpoenas on many connected people in 2009, and that Trump was “the only person who picked up the phone and said, ‘Let’s just talk. I’ll give you as much time as you want.’” Edwards added that Trump “was very helpful, in the information that he gave,” calling it “good information that checked out and that helped us.” And, he said, Trump “gave no indication whatsoever that he was involved in anything untoward whatsoever.”
When asked about a subpoena served to Trump in 2009, Garten said it "never happened." The subpoena called for Trump to give a deposition in a case against Epstein; Garten's denial baffled Brad Edwards, one of Virginia Roberts' attorneys. "There is no debate over what happened," Edwards told VICE news. "I served Mr. Trump with a subpoena for deposition in 2009. He talked to me voluntarily, and consequently we withdrew the subpoena in light of his voluntarily providing information…. I can't imagine there being any dispute of any of this."
2010
Q: Have you ever had a personal relationship with Donald Trump? A. What do you mean by "personal relationship," sir? Q. Have you socialized with him? A. Yes, sir. Q. Yes? A. Yes, sir. Q. Have you ever socialized with Donald Trump in the presence of females under the age of 18? A: Though I'd like to answer that question, at least today I'm going to have to assert my Fifth, Sixth, and 14th Amendment rights, sir.
2015
In the week or so leading up to his CPAC speech, David Pecker, who owned the Enquirer until it was sold in ruin earlier this year, visited Trump on the 26th floor of Trump Tower, bringing along an issue with a Prince Andrew and Epstein-related cover, according to people familiar with the meeting. Pecker, of course, was in the business of protecting Trump. An early supporter of his presidential campaign, Pecker has helped “catch and kill” at least two stories involving the real estate mogul and women who claimed to have had affairs with him. After the meeting Trump called in Sam Nunberg, then a Trump Organization employee, who saw Pecker leaving Trump’s office. “Michael was sitting in there when I came in, and the issue of the National Enquirer with the pictures of Prince Andrew was on his desk,” Nunberg recalled. “He said not to tell anyone, but that Pecker had just been there and had brought the issue with him. Trump said that Pecker had told him that the pictures of Clinton that Epstein had from his island were worse.” (Cohen, speaking by phone from the Federal Correctional Institution in Otisville, corroborated Nunberg’s version of the events, though he declined to add any additional information about the meeting.) During the meeting with Pecker, Trump went on about how Epstein was known for this behavior, according to a person familiar with the conversation.
2017
Back in 2008, when Alex Acosta was U.S. attorney for the Southern District of Florida, his office secretly cut a sweetheart deal for child rapist and sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein. Now Acosta has been watching as increasingly damning evidence piles up, revealing that he was responsible for letting Epstein off the hook the first time around
2018
Mr. Epstein called and asked if I’d like to have dinner that Saturday with him and Woody Allen. I said I’d be out of town. A few weeks after that, he asked me to join him for dinner with the author Michael Wolff and Donald J. Trump’s former adviser, Steve Bannon.
Barr was asked if he would investigate the handling of a decade-old Florida plea deal that let Epstein escape responsibility for his conduct. He said he thought his former law firm was involved in the case so he might have to recuse.
2019
“I can understand people who immediately, whose minds went to sort of the worst-case scenario because it was a perfect storm of screw-ups,” Barr told the AP
2020
The president bolstered his legal team Friday with attorneys Alan Dershowitz and Kenneth Starr, who helped Epstein evade prison time in a now infamously lenient plea deal with Palm Beach prosecutors. Epstein originally faced multiple charges of soliciting and trafficking underage girls, but escaped with just 13 months of house arrest in a deal that caused Trump’s Labor Secretary Alex Acosta to resign under pressure last year. Barr’s father was the headmaster of an elite New York City school that hired college dropout Epstein to teach math and physics. Do these circumstances amount to a conflict of interest requiring mandatory recusal? Barr, apparently after consulting with career ethics officials at DOJ, concluded they did not.
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Trumps Knowledge of Epstein:
Trump was warned about Epstein as early as 1992 by George Houraney.
Epstein introduced a 14 year old to Trump in 1995.
“This is a good one, right?” Epstein asked the future president, who allegedly smiled and nodded before sharing a chuckle with the depraved hedge funder. Doe’s lawsuit does not accuse Trump of any sexual misconduct.
Trump does not distance himself or make negative statements about Epstein or Prince Andrew until after tabloid stories about Epstein are published in 2006.
Can anyone find Trump calling out his close associates for their pedophilia prior to 2006? I cant find anything prior to 2007 on Epstein and 2015 on Prince Andrew.
Epstein and Maxwell have a history back to at least 1992 with Trump
Clear evidence shows Epstein, Maxwell, and Trump together at Mar-A-Lago and in NYC. Not just a few photographs, a mountain of photographs and tabloid articles spanning many years and many events together.
Epstein, Maxwell, and Trump flew together on more than one occasion, on Epstein's Gulfstream and on Trump's 727.
Epstein's black book contained contact info for Trump in 2004.
14 phone numbers for Donald Trump, including emergency numbers, car numbers, and numbers to Trump's security guard and houseman, Trump's former wife Ivana, his daughter Ivanka, and his brother Robert.
Trump praised Epstein and wishes Maxwell well
Trump's language about Epstein and Maxwell is only positive. 2009 is the only time Trump speaks negatively of Epstein, and even then we do not have Bradley Edwards notes or recordings of the "dirt" Trump spilled on Epstein.
Trump's harshest words? “I’m not a fan of his,” the president said. And outright lies that Epstein was not a member of Mar-A-Lago, easily disproved. Source 1 Source 2
Trump's Mar-A-Lago was used by Maxwell and Epstein to recruit underage Virginia Roberts:
Its all in the docs

Before the whataboutism brigade gets here. Buh buh buh buh.....but we already know about Billary. Billary is the same beast as DJT.
Oh sorry, here is Bill and Hillary at Donald and Melania's 2005 wedding.
Trump has spent years courting Hillary and other Dems
Bill Clinton Still Has a Locker at Trump’s Westchester Golf Course
Once upon a time, when Bill Clinton needed a golf haven, he turned to Donald Trump
When Hillary and Donald Were Friends
Trump gave at least $100K to Clinton Foundation
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1980


1985

Late 1980's
Trump told New York magazine in 2002 that he had known Epstein for 15 years, suggesting they met around 1987.
Source

1989

1990
Trump reportedly told a former adviser, Roger Stone, that when he visited Epstein's home the pool was filled with girls. Trump said he thought it was nice that Epstein let "the neighborhood kids use his pool".
Q. Now, Mr. Trump had a home in Palm Beach, correct?
A. Uh-huh.
Q. So he didn't come and stay there, did he?
A. No, never.
Q. He would come for a meal?
A. He would come, have dinner. He never sat at the table. He eat with me in the kitchen.
Q. Did he ever have massages while he was there?
A. No. Because he's got his own spa.

1991
Stacy Wilkes competed in the 1991 [Look of the Year] contest as a sixteen-year-old, representing the United States. She remembers Trump coming into their dressing area during the contest, more than once. “I would feel really uncomfortable, because every time we would change, it was like Trump would find a reason to come backstage to see all the teenagers,” she told us. “When you’re doing a runway show, they have to strip you down and change you....There was no need for him to be back there.” Trump never tried to justify his presence backstage but would just walk in and start making jokes. The girls didn’t feel that they were free to complain. “We were afraid to say anything bad when he was around because we didn’t want anything to hurt our chances of winning,” Wilkes said. “We were all young teenagers.” Wilkes’s roommate ended up spending the night with one of the celebrity judges, Wilkes said, and later won one of the prizes.
“He was gropey...he had his hands in the most inappropriate places, always,” [NaKina] Carr said. [Editor’s note: NaKina Carr was working as a runway model for Oscar de la Renta.] “When he went in to kiss someone, the hand always went to either the hip or the butt. He was also really good when he did pictures or when he’d side-hug someone. He’d always get his hand on the boob. Every time.” Stories about Trump and his hands circulated within the modeling community. At one modeling event, Trump allegedly went down a line of women feeling their bodies to guess their dress size. Backstage at a lingerie show, he is said to have moved his hands all over a model’s breasts under the guise of inspecting the bra’s fabric.

1992
In 1992, the women were flown in for a "calendar girl" competition that Trump had requested, the former Trump associate, George Houraney, told The Times.
"At the very first party, I said, 'Who's coming tonight? I have 28 girls coming,'" Houraney said. "It was him and Epstein."
He added: "I said: 'Donald, this is supposed to be a party with VIPs. You're telling me it's you and Epstein?'"
Houraney also apparently once warned Trump about Epstein.
"Look, Donald, I know Jeff really well, I can't have him going after younger girls," Houraney recalled telling Trump. "He said: 'Look I'm putting my name on this. I wouldn't put my name on it and have a scandal.'"
Houraney had a falling out with Trump after his girlfriend accused Trump of making unwanted sexual advances in the early 1990s.

1994
The Plaintiff, Katie Johnson, alleges she was subject to extreme sexual and physical abuse by the Defendants, Donald J. Trump and Jeffrey E. Epstein, including forcible rape during a four month time span covering the months of June-September 1994 when Plaintiff Johnson was still only a minor of age 13.
The Plaintiff, Katie Johnson, alleges she was enticed by promises of money and a modeling career to attend a series of underage sex parties held at the New York City residence of Defendant Jeffrey E. Epstein and attended by Defendant Donald J. Trump.

1995

1996
Trump entered the Miss Teen USA changing room where girls as young as 15 were in various states of undress.
“He just came strolling right in,” Dixon said. “There was no second to put a robe on or any sort of clothing or anything. Some girls were topless. Others girls were naked. Our first introduction to him was when we were at the dress rehearsal and half-naked changing into our bikinis.”

1997
In an interview last week with The Post, Mark Epstein said Trump flew on the plane “numerous times” but said he was only present for one flight.
“They were good friends,” Mark Epstein said. “I know [Trump] is trying to distance himself, but they were.” He added that Trump used to comp Epstein’s mother and aunt at one of Trump’s Atlantic City casino hotels. When a Post reporter sought further details, Mark Epstein hung up.
Trump unexpectedly entered the Miss Teen USA dressing room, the reigning Miss Universe, Brook Antoinette Mahealani Lee, recalls Trump asking her about the looks of his daughter Ivanka, who was co-hosting the pageant. “‘Don’t you think my daughter’s hot? She’s hot, right?'” Mahealani Lee recalls Trump saying.

1998
Several models who worked for Epstein associate Jean-Luc Brunel, who allegedly helped procure for him underage girls, tell of being taken to swank parties at Mar-a-Lago. Zoe Brock, a New Zealander who quit Brunel’s agency in Paris in 1991 after, she says, she was on the receiving end of his unwanted sexual advances at age 17, still has the wristband from when, while with another agency, she and other young girls and women were taken together on a bus from Miami to Mar-a-Lago in 1998.
At 24, she was one of the eldest women on the bus to Mar-a-Lago, many she is sure were underage.

1999
“And the other interesting thing is Trump had a modeling agency, and Epstein also had a stake in a modeling agency, which they suspect he used to bring in underage girls from overseas,” Brown said. “There is a comment in one of the court files where Epstein is quoted as saying, ‘I want to set up my modeling agency the same way Trump set up his modeling agency.’ I don’t know what that means, but it is curious he was trying to do something similar to Trump.”

2000
“He’s not pretentious,” says Trump. “He’s a lot of fun to be with.” Maxwell seemed to think so too.
'I remember flying on Trump's plane from LaGuardia to Palm Beach, with Trump and Melania and some of his relatives on board,' the writer said.
'Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, and the girl in question were late for the appointed take off time, which is why I remember it so well.
'What I do remember thinking about the girl though is that she was pretty, attractive. She was of an indeterminate age, though I realized she was young - I thought she could be anywhere from 15 to 20.
'She seemed to want to go unnoticed, she didn't talk to anybody and decided to be a wallflower while we were on the plane.

2002
Epstein likes to tell people that he’s a loner, a man who’s never touched alcohol or drugs, and one whose nightlife is far from energetic. And yet if you talk to Donald Trump, a different Epstein emerges. “I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,” Trump booms from a speakerphone. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”
Some of the businessmen who dine with him at his home—they include newspaper publisher Mort Zuckerman, banker Louis Ranieri, Revlon chairman Ronald Perelman, real-estate tycoon Leon Black, former Microsoft executive Nathan Myhrvold, Tom Pritzker (of Hyatt Hotels), and real-estate personality Donald Trump—sometimes seem not all that clear as to what he actually does to earn his millions. Certainly, you won’t find Epstein’s transactions written about on Bloomberg or talked about in the trading rooms. “The trading desks don’t seem to know him. It’s unusual for animals that big not to leave any footprints in the snow,” says a high-level investment manager.

2003
Where: East Side townhouse
Table seats: 30
Guest list: Mort Zuckerman, Google co-founder Sergey Brin, David Blaine, Donald Trump, Leslie Wexner of the Limited, disgraced British Cabinet minister Peter Mandelson, Bill Clinton aide Doug Band
Menu: Private chef, though last month Rocco DiSpirito cooked dinner after Epstein bid $50,000 for his services at a Hamptons charity.
Make it MY place: Epstein hates restaurants, so he often entertains at home. “The dialogues are so engaging that serving even the most extraordinary food sometimes seems inappropriate, like eating pizza at the ballet,” he says.
“I had rich shock!” one stunned guest says about Epstein’s house, which the owner claims is the largest private dwelling in the city. At a recent dinner organized by Ghislaine Maxwell, Blaine amused a group of barely clad models with card tricks. Alas, Clinton—around whom the evening had been organized—never showed, though his Secret Service would have appreciated Epstein’s numerous security cameras.

2004
"Can you imagine the sex with this troubled teen?" said Stern.
"Yeah, you're probably right," Trump said. "She's probably deeply troubled and therefore great in bed. How come the deeply troubled women, you know, deeply, deeply troubled, they're always the best in bed?"

2005
The Trump campaign did not offer a response to either story, but in a 2005 appearance on Howard Stern’s show, Trump bragged about doing exactly what the women describe. “I’ll go backstage before a show, and everyone’s getting dressed and ready and everything else,” he said.

2006

2007
Meanwhile, the Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach last night confirmed a Web site report that Epstein has been banned there. “He would use the spa to try to procure girls. But one of them, a masseuse about 18 years old, he tried to get her to do things,” a source told us. “Her father found out about it and went absolutely ape-[bleep]. Epstein’s not allowed back.” Epstein denies he is banned from Mar-a-Lago and says, in fact, he was recently invited to an event there.
Another club member explained that Trump "kicked Epstein out after Epstein harassed the daughter of a member. The way this person described it, such an act could irreparably harm the Trump brand, leaving Donald no choice but to remove Epstein,"
A footnote in the book says the authors were shown the club's registry from more than a decade earlier and that Epstein in fact had been a member until October 2007.
Nunberg, told the Times that Trump was well aware of Epstein’s sordid sexual history, but only took action to distance himself after the public found out about his behavior. According to Nunberg, when he tried to raise concerns about Trump’s ties to Epstein during the 2016 campaign, Trump insisted he had sufficiently distanced himself from his former friend, telling Nunberg, “I kicked him out of the clubs when this stuff became public, and I made sure NBC knew.”

2008

2009
He said in a recent interview that he had served subpoenas on many connected people in 2009, and that Trump was “the only person who picked up the phone and said, ‘Let’s just talk. I’ll give you as much time as you want.’”
Edwards added that Trump “was very helpful, in the information that he gave,” calling it “good information that checked out and that helped us.” And, he said, Trump “gave no indication whatsoever that he was involved in anything untoward whatsoever.”
When asked about a subpoena served to Trump in 2009, Garten said it "never happened." The subpoena called for Trump to give a deposition in a case against Epstein; Garten's denial baffled Brad Edwards, one of Virginia Roberts' attorneys.
"There is no debate over what happened," Edwards told VICE news. "I served Mr. Trump with a subpoena for deposition in 2009. He talked to me voluntarily, and consequently we withdrew the subpoena in light of his voluntarily providing information…. I can't imagine there being any dispute of any of this."

2010
Q: Have you ever had a personal relationship with Donald Trump?
A. What do you mean by "personal relationship," sir?
Q. Have you socialized with him?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Yes?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Have you ever socialized with Donald Trump in the presence of females under the age of 18?
A: Though I'd like to answer that question, at least today I'm going to have to assert my Fifth, Sixth, and 14th Amendment rights, sir.

2015
In the week or so leading up to his CPAC speech, David Pecker, who owned the Enquirer until it was sold in ruin earlier this year, visited Trump on the 26th floor of Trump Tower, bringing along an issue with a Prince Andrew and Epstein-related cover, according to people familiar with the meeting. Pecker, of course, was in the business of protecting Trump. An early supporter of his presidential campaign, Pecker has helped “catch and kill” at least two stories involving the real estate mogul and women who claimed to have had affairs with him.
After the meeting Trump called in Sam Nunberg, then a Trump Organization employee, who saw Pecker leaving Trump’s office. “Michael was sitting in there when I came in, and the issue of the National Enquirer with the pictures of Prince Andrew was on his desk,” Nunberg recalled. “He said not to tell anyone, but that Pecker had just been there and had brought the issue with him. Trump said that Pecker had told him that the pictures of Clinton that Epstein had from his island were worse.” (Cohen, speaking by phone from the Federal Correctional Institution in Otisville, corroborated Nunberg’s version of the events, though he declined to add any additional information about the meeting.)
During the meeting with Pecker, Trump went on about how Epstein was known for this behavior, according to a person familiar with the conversation.

2017
Back in 2008, when Alex Acosta was U.S. attorney for the Southern District of Florida, his office secretly cut a sweetheart deal for child rapist and sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein. Now Acosta has been watching as increasingly damning evidence piles up, revealing that he was responsible for letting Epstein off the hook the first time around

2018
Mr. Epstein called and asked if I’d like to have dinner that Saturday with him and Woody Allen. I said I’d be out of town. A few weeks after that, he asked me to join him for dinner with the author Michael Wolff and Donald J. Trump’s former adviser, Steve Bannon.
Barr was asked if he would investigate the handling of a decade-old Florida plea deal that let Epstein escape responsibility for his conduct. He said he thought his former law firm was involved in the case so he might have to recuse.

2019
“I can understand people who immediately, whose minds went to sort of the worst-case scenario because it was a perfect storm of screw-ups,” Barr told the AP

2020
The president bolstered his legal team Friday with attorneys Alan Dershowitz and Kenneth Starr, who helped Epstein evade prison time in a now infamously lenient plea deal with Palm Beach prosecutors. Epstein originally faced multiple charges of soliciting and trafficking underage girls, but escaped with just 13 months of house arrest in a deal that caused Trump’s Labor Secretary Alex Acosta to resign under pressure last year.
Barr’s father was the headmaster of an elite New York City school that hired college dropout Epstein to teach math and physics. Do these circumstances amount to a conflict of interest requiring mandatory recusal? Barr, apparently after consulting with career ethics officials at DOJ, concluded they did not.

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Are these points just coincidences?
Proximity:
301 E 66th St, New York, NY since the early 90s. 1.5 miles from Trump Tower Source 1 Source 2 Source 3
9 East 71st Street, New York, NY since 1989 or 1996. 1.1 miles from Trump Tower Source 1 Source 2
475 Madison Avenue, New York, NY J. Epstein & Co. and a charitable foundation named "Epstein Interests." since atleast 1991. 0.3 miles from Trump Tower Source 1 Source 2

358 El Brillo Way, Palm Beach, FL. Just 1.4 miles or a 5 minute drive from Mar-A-Lago. Source 1 Source 2

People:
Alan Dershowitz, Kenneth Starr, Alex Acosta, William Barr, Steve Bannon, Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew all connected to both Trump and Epstein.

Modeling:
Epstein used modeling agent Jean-Luc Brunel to source underage girls Source
Trump runs Miss Universe Organization along with Miss USA and Miss Teen USA from 1996 to 2017. Source Trump runs Trump Model Management from 1999 to 2017 Source.
Epstein sets up his own modeling agency, saying 'I want to set up my modeling agency the same way Trump set up his modeling agency.' Source 1 Source 2 Source 3

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These are the indisputable facts
Trumps Knowledge of Epstein:
Trump was warned about Epstein as early as 1992 by George Houraney.
Trump does not distance himself or make negative statements about Epstein or Prince Andrew until after tabloid stories about Epstein are published in 2006.
Can anyone find Trump calling out his close associates for their pedophilia prior to 2006? I cant find anything prior to 2007 on Epstein and 2015 on Prince Andrew.

Epstein and Maxwell have a history back to at least 1992 with Trump
Clear evidence shows Epstein, Maxwell, and Trump together at Mar-A-Lago and in NYC. Not just a few photographs, a mountain of photographs and tabloid articles spanning many years and many events together.
Epstein, Maxwell, and Trump flew together on more than one occasion, on Epstein's Gulfstream and on Trump's 727.

Epstein's black book contained contact info for Trump in 2004.
14 phone numbers for Donald Trump, including emergency numbers, car numbers, and numbers to Trump's security guard and houseman, Trump's former wife Ivana, his daughter Ivanka, and his brother Robert.

Trump praised Epstein and wishes Maxwell well
Trump's language about Epstein and Maxwell is only positive. 2009 is the only time Trump speaks negatively of Epstein, and even then we do not have Bradley Edwards notes or recordings of the "dirt" Trump spilled on Epstein.
Trump's harshest words? “I’m not a fan of his,” the president said. And outright lies that Epstein was not a member of Mar-A-Lago, easily disproved. Source 1 Source 2

Trump's Mar-A-Lago was used by Maxwell and Epstein to recruit underage Virginia Roberts:
Its all in the docs
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2020.05.20 17:56 Robert_de_Saint_Loup This immature Bro culture is getting too popular in the US

I got attacked for a previous unpopular opinion I posted here titled "Public beaches in the US should allow toplessness"
The best argument was that unlike Spain, Italy, and France, there are simply too many creepy gawkers and immature men here to let such a thing happen. F*ckboys if you prefer the term.
Why do we glorify Bro culture? You know? This whole "Show us your t*ts! Woo!" "Whats up bruh! Imma get shitfaced tonite at Katie's party"
Only in America, do you have this "College Culture". This "Lets get wild" type of mentality. This is why when kids turn 21 years old they simply go bananas and drink alcohol by the bottle. Now, of course, these bros aren't only confined to America, but we do seem to be the best at breeding them.
I saw this article or something a few years ago talking about "Tweens". We have this now. A person in their 20s who still behave like they are in their teens. Why do we have this? Why do we have so many tweens? Why are we so Peter Pan?
Outside of this you have the extreme opposite. The uptight "Think about the children!" people. The ones who are too hinged on setting things in order and 'cleaning up' society. Too many Squares.
It's a bit ridiculous how we live in this society of extremes and cannot lean just a little bit in one direction without having the other side lose their shit. Why can't we just mature and be laid back but also respectful as well?
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2019.07.28 17:37 The_DMcI123 Topless teen beach

Below I’ve listed every law that was broken in The Office (from destruction of property and battery to homicide and kidnapping) whether legal action was taken or not, as well as ideas that people had that were illegal; I’m not a legal expert, I just have a lot of much free time (I labeled the episodes the same way that Netflix does.)
S1E3: Dwight claims that multiple people in the office forged medical forms for their health insurance plans
S1E6: Michael claims that Dunder Mifflin employees in the 80’s constantly used cocaine
S2E1: Pam, Kelly, and Phyllis reveal that there is something written on the women’s bathroom wall, later Pam reveals to Jim that she was the one who wrote it; people throw food at Michael (would fall under battery)
S2E2: Packer reveals that he’s been convicted of a DUI
S2E3: Dwight reveals that sometimes teenagers use his farm for sex (depending on their ages, this may be illegal as the Pennsylvania age of consent is sixteen)
S2E6: Dwight punches Michael in the stomach twice with considerable force (Michael does bait him into doing it though)
S2E8: Jim punctures a hole in Dwight’s “fitness orb” with a pair of scissors; it is implied that a former accountant killed himself; Dwight reveals that he made a copy of Michael’s key to the office
S2E10: Meredith flashes Michael in his office
S2E11: Michael tells everyone on the cruise that the ship is sinking when there’s no danger (creating a false panic is illegal in most cases)
S2E12: Dwight crashes his car into a telephone pole outside of the office and leaves his bumper in the street
S2E14: Michael says that Packer once held a man’s head into a toilet; it is also implied that Packer was the one who defecated in Michael’s office
S2E15: Michael causes lots of damage in the warehouse by improperly using the lift (he also doesn’t have a license to operate it)
S2E16: Michael jaywalks (technically illegal though typically not enforced); Michael comments that someone was pooping in a cardboard box in the subway
S2E17: Dwight tackles Ryan, Creed, and Stanley to the ground
S2E19: Michael finds out that he’s involved in a pyramid scheme
S2E20: Dwight finds a joint in the parking lot (Pennsylvania didn’t make steps to decriminalize marijuana until 2014); Michael believes he unknowingly smoked marijuana at a concert; Dwight gives Michael some of his urine so that he can pass a drug test
S2E21: Creed faces sideways after his company photo is taken, implying that he’s been arrested in the past
S2E22: Creed steals casino chips and also admits to stealing things all of the time; Dwight kisses Angela and she hits him in response (though it seems like both parties were okay with the outcome)
S3E1: Roy reveals that he was arrested for drunk driving
S3E4: Creed reveals that the reason Ed Truck got decapitated was because he was driving drunk (though this was never confirmed and Creed tends to lie); the bird funeral is lit on fire (probably illegal as they did not have a permit and it was mainly paper and not wood)
S3E5: Ryan and Dwight egg the front of Axelrod Ltd’s building
S3E6: Jim rides his bike drunk (believe it or not, this is actually illegal)
S3E7: Creed sells office equipment
S3E8: Andy steals a computer from the Stamford office; after poking holes in everyone’s tires, Michael claims it was Vance Refrigeration workers that did it
S3E9: It is revealed that Martin went to jail for insider trading; Kevin admits that insider trading sounds a lot like what he does as well
S3E10: Creed removes a present from the charity box (removing uncollected items from charity drives is theft); Pam reveals that she has been sending fake letters from the CIA to Dwight, Jim later gets involved (illegal to pass yourself off as a CIA agent)
S3E13: Andy punches a hole through the wall
S3E16: Michael reveals that his eighth grade teacher hooked up with at least thirteen students; Dwight reveals that he hunted a werewolf as a child, but it’s more likely that he killed his neighbor’s dog; Dwight traps a bat in a bag over Meredith’s head
S3E17: Creed reveals that he has a side business where he makes fake IDs for teens; Creed also reveals that he stole a laminating machine from the sheriff’s station; Dwight accidentally damages David’s roof while inspecting the chimney; Roy and his brother destroy multiple objects in a bar including a mirror, a chair, and multiple glasses (Roy’s brother later reveals that he paid off the bar owner to not call the cops on them)
S3E18: Roy attempts to assault Jim in the office after finding out he kissed Pam; Dwight uses pepper spray on Roy when he attempts to assault Jim (this was done defense of Jim however); Jim reveals that Dwight has weapons such as nunchucks and throwing stars hidden in the office; Dwight uses pepper spray against Andy; Dwight is found to have more weapons hidden in his desk such as brass knuckles, a police baton, and a taser
S3E19: Darryl reveals that Michael once kicked a ladder out from under him and caused him to break his ankle; Michael accidentally smashes a watermelon on the roof of someone’s car; Michael tries to convince the office that he’s going to commit suicide
S3E20: A former Dunder Mifflin employee from the paper mill put a watermark of two cartoon animals having sex on about five-hundred boxes-worth of paper; Creed frames Debbie Brown from the paper mill for not catching the watermark on the paper, which results in her termination; it was revealed that Andy was unknowingly dating a high schooler (only illegal if they had sexual contact); Andy reveals that he and his high school girlfriend knocked over a mailbox with her friends
S3E21: Phyllis claims that she was flashed by a man in the parking lot; when Jim calls the police to report the flasher, he says that the police have already gotten three calls; Creed implies that he has flashed people in the past; Jan offers Michael money in return for him driving to New York and having sex (it is illegal to accept or pay money for sex, even if the other person is not a prostitute); Meredith throws her trash out of her car window onto the street while also driving recklessly; while parking her car, Meredith scrapes another car; Creed reveals that he uses the women’s bathroom for bowel movements and has “paid dearly” for it in the past; Dwight and Andy put up barbed wire on the parking lot fence of the office (using barbed wire is typically illegal if the fence is adjacent to a public street)
S3E22: Michael lights a bonfire on the beach (he likely did not have a fire permit)
S3E23: Jim and Karen sneak into a theater to see the second half of Spamalot (would technically burglary, believe it or not, since they snuck in with the intent of stealing services); Jan claims that the reason she is being fired from Dunder Mifflin is because of her breast implants (though David says it is because of her work ethic)
S4E1: Michael hits Meredith with his car and fractures her pelvis; Dwight attempts to mercy kill Angela’s cat by trapping it in her freezer
S4E2: Michael claims that when he was a child, he had a foreign exchange student living with him that stole all of his blue jeans when he went back to his home country; Kelly tells Ryan that she is pregnant with his child in an attempt to get him to go on a date with her (this could fall under intentional infliction of emotional distress)
S4E3: Michael and Dwight detain the pizza deliveryman in the office conference room; Dwight reveals that the pizza deliveryman steals hemp from his farm; Andy reveals that he stole the ice sculpture he brought to the party; Michael and Dwight steal a tray of sushi and some accessories from a restaurant
S4E4: Dwight admits that the permits on the bed and breakfast side of Schrute Farms are still pending even though he is actively taking customers; Creed reveals that he has a second identity that he transfers his debt to; Michael and Jan are likely trespassing while they are sitting on the stationed train
S4E6: Dwight attempts to create molotov cocktails to throw in the Utica office; Michael drives recklessly on the highway; while stealing the Utica branch’s industrial copier, Michael and Dwight break it; Dwight reveals more weapons that he has in the office, including a pack of knives, a pair of sai, a sword, and a blowdart (having these weapons in the open is not illegal, but concealing them is)
S4E8: Michael purgers himself during Jan’s deposition
S4E9: Jan throws a Dundie at Michael’s TV and breaks it
S4E10: It is revealed that the model from Micahel’s chair catalog died in a car accident (Dwight says that she was stoned at the time and crashed into the side of an airplane hanger)
S4E11: Ryan states that the Dunder Mifflin website was infiltrated by sexual predators (only illegal if they used it to transmit child pornography or arrange meetings with minors with the intent of sexual contact); it is heavily implied that Ryan and his friend Troy are under the influence of cocaine
S4E12: Michael places his face in wet cement outside of the office (would be considered destruction of property)
S4E13: Andy drives a golf cart recklessly and ends up destroying its roof (and potentially the cart as well)
S4E14: Jim sets up Dwight’s cell and work phones to go to his Bluetooth and pretends to be him when clients call (could fall under criminal impersonation); Ryan commits fraud by having people re-record sales and is arrested for it; Dwight, Meredith, and Mose release a raccoon into Holly’s car (only illegal if it does damage to her car)
S5E1: Phyllis blackmails Angela by threatening to reveal Angela and Dwight’s affair unless she lets Phyllis run the Party Planning Committee
S5E3: Kelly reveals that she downloads pirated music onto her work computer, to which Michael responds, “who hasn’t”; Meredith reveals that she’s been sleeping with a supplier in exchange for discounts on supplies and Outback Steakhouse gift certificates (could fall under the scope of prostitution); Michael threatens to kill everyone if they don’t go to the conference room
S5E4: Dwight tries to destroy Jan’s $1,200 stroller
S5E5: The office is robbed after Michael and Holly forget to lock the office’s front door; Creed implies that he made the last person who stole from him disappear, and that he stole the identity Creed Bratton from them
S5E7: Kelly falsifies customer surveys regarding Jim and Dwight
S5E9: Michael attempts to purchase marijuana from two Vance Refrigeration workers, and they trick him into buying a salad in a bag rather than drugs (intent to purchase illegal drugs is illegal, and so is selling counterfeit drugs); Michael and Dwight attempt to frame Toby with drug trafficking and possession of marijuana; when the cops arrive, Creed becomes incredibly worried that he’ll be arrested, implying that he either has drugs in the office, or is a drug dealer
S5E10: Dwight tricks Angela into marrying him (this would be considered fraudulently inducing someone into marriage)
S5E11: Creed is seen smoking out of a pipe likely containing kif, which has cannabis in it; Creed says that he can get fire permits very quickly, implying that they are possibly fake; Michael forces Meredith into going to a rehab facility (technically falls under the definition of kidnapping)
S5E12: Jim uncovers more weapons that Dwight has hidden throughout the office; Andy pins Dwight against a fence with his car, Dwight dents Andy’s car
S5E13: Jim connects a red wire to Dwight’s computer which leads outside to the top of the power pole (would qualify as vandalism to the pole); Michael and Dwight attempt to learn information about a competitor under the guise of a potential customer and potential employee (could be considered corporate espionage, but I couldn’t find any specifics)
S5E14: Dwight induces panic law by simulating a fire in the office, he additionally damages multiple doors and cuts the phone wires; during the fire drill, multiple office employees damage items in the office including ceiling tiles, the copier machine, and the vending machine; Dwight reveals that he is planning a bomb scare; Dwight is shown to have a hunting knife strapped to his ankle, and he uses this knife to cut apart the CPR dummy (though corporate payed for the damages to the dummy); Andy, Jim, and Pam watch a pirated film
S5E15: Dwight buys cookies from Toby in exchange for him signing a form (quid pro quo on this is illegal); Dwight attempts to have his coworkers sign his form under the guise of it being a sign-in sheet; Michael throws full slices of bread on the ground to feed pigeons (it was winter and there were no birds, so this could be considered littering)
S5E16: Jim cuts the cord that connects Michael’s phone to the office’s PA system; Dwight finds out that Kelly went to juvenile detention when she was younger; Creed gives Jim a $3 bill (counterfeit money is illegal)
S5E17: Creed says he knows where to buy a kid for $7,000; it’s revealed that the reason Kelly was in juvenile detention was because she stole her boyfriend’s father’s boat; Michael cuts off a sleeve from Holly’s sweater; Michael also takes a file off of Holly’s computer (would be classified as unauthorized computer access)
S5E18: Phyllis and Bob have sex in a restaurant bathroom (this is technically public sex which is a misdemeanor); Creed steals a bag of blood from the blood drive
S5E19: Dwight slaps Michael; Jim slaps Dwight
S5E20: Dwight pretends to have kidnapped David’s son
S5E21: Michael sneaks back into the office after being asked to leave (technically trespassing as it is private property and he was escorted out of the building)
S5E22: Michael breaks his condominium agreement by having the Michael Scott Paper Company located within his condo (though the owner only sent a warning that he needed to stop); Ryan steals three pairs of bowling shoes before he quits the bowling alley; Michael asks Billy to sell him a ‘secret office space’ off of the books within the Scranton Business Park
S5E23: Dwight claims that a woman named Haddie McGonagle was murdered in the Dunder Mifflin office space in 1816 (though he probably made this up)
S5E24: Dwight steals supplies and files from the Michael Scott Paper Company’s office
S5E26: While fixing her dress, Meredith accidentally reveals one of her breasts, as well as her crotch and her backside (was accidental, but could be considered public indecency)
S5E27: Dwight cuts open the back of Phyllis’ blouse so he can give her a massage; Creed reveals that he doesn’t have any mirrors in his car that let him see behind the car (in Pennsylvania, it is illegal to drive without at least one mirror that lets you see behind the car)
S5E28: Dwight’s friend Rolph once inquired about shoes that increased speed and didn’t leave any tracks, implying that he was going to commit a crime
S6E1: Stanley wrecks Michael’s car with a tire iron
S6E2: Dwight and Toby accidentally crash into a few trash cans outside Darryl’s house; Dwight uncovers that the real cause of Darryl’s injury was from misuse of company equipment
S6E4: Michael ties full beer cans to the back of his car which left debris all over the road; Dwight implies that Mose is going to be castrating horses (only legal if Mose has a veterinary license, which is unlikely); Dwight also claims that he has a device which can make hamburgers out of horse meat without killing the horse (likely animal cruelty)
S6E5: The Niagara Falls hotel staff incinerated Kevin’s shoes (they claim they did it because it was a safety issue); Dwight gifts a turtle to Jim and Pam for their wedding and appears to not have made any holes in the box (likely animal cruelty); Dwight accidentally kicks Isabel in the face while dancing
S6E6: While answering Jim’s phone, Kevin pretends to be Jim and accidentally cancels his credit cards
S6E7: Dwight secretly records the conversations in Jim’s office (Pennsylvania has a two-party consent law which means that all parties in the conversations must consent to being recorded); Andy talks about a 60 Minutes segment that went into working conditions of a paper mill in Peru (the 60 Minutes segment likely went into illegal conditions within the mill)
S6E8: Meredith reveals that she has had sex with a known terrorist; while writing down things that people don’t want to be made fun of for, Creed says that if he writes his down, he cannot be charged for it; a custodian reveals that when Michael fell into the koi pond, he accidentally killed one of the fish
S6E9: Ryan shows Erin a topless photo of Kelly in the office (could be considered indecent exposure since it was in a public space within the office); Creed implies that a shipping order was never supposed to reach it’s location, possibly indicating that he stole a shipment
S6E10: Creed flees the office when Michael tells him that there was a murder and that he was a suspect, implying that he may be involved in a murder
S6E12: Dwight secretly records a phone call between Jim and David
S6E13: As part of Secret Santa, Andy gives Erin the Twelve Days of Christmas, inadvertently resulting in physical injury to her and potentially her home and car; Creed implies that he’s done “evil” things; Michael says that he has often claimed to be David’s childrens’ pediatrician to get him on the phone
S6E16: Andy accidentally gives Meredith a large paper cut on her throat; Ryan implies to Dwight that they should torture Jim
S6E17: While escorting Jim and Pam to the hospital, Dwight puts a police light on the top of his car; Michael uses his phone to text and make a call while driving; when being pulled over, Dwight throws multiple large weapons out his window; Michael parks in an ambulance-only parking spot
S6E18: Dwight breaks a window to enter Jim and Pam’s home; after breaking in, Dwight discovers mold in their home and destroys walls and cabinets with a crew of workers so he can refurbish their kitchen; Jim comments that he had five parking tickets on his windshield
S6E20: Creed tries to act casual when Michael announces that the lost and found has gone missing, implying he may have stolen it; Andy aggressively tries to take a pen from Darryl (could be considered battery); Dwight strangles Kevin in an attempt to get information from him; Michael and Dwight, and then later Andy and Erin, walk around the Scranton dump (would be considered trespassing); Michael and Dwight throw large pieces of garbage at each other; Michael and Dwight take two chairs from the dump
S6E21: Phyllis claims she likes getting men to flirt with her so that Bob will beat them up; Michael accidentally damages multiple objects while being reckless at the bar; Dwight breaks his contract with Angela (unsure as to whether a lawyer was involved with the first contract, but Angela served Dwight with a summons for breaking it, leading me to believe it was legitimate); Hide admits that he killed a Yakuza boss on purpose and then came to America illegally
S6E22: Meredith steals and uses Pam’s breast pump
S6E24: Michael hires Dwight to follow Donna around to see if she’s cheating on him (following someone isn’t illega, but it could be considered stalking or harassment); Creed implies that he’s committed crimes for low levels of reward; Michael says he’s going to kill the guy who’s kissing Donna in her Facebook photo (though he immediately takes it back)
S6E25: Michael keeps throwing out radon kits that Toby put around the office; Michael once again claims that he would kill Toby; Dwight claims that his money is buried underneath someone (though we don’t know if this is a grave or a buried corpse); Dwight and Angela’s lawyer comments that their sex contract is dangerously close to prostitution and illegal
S7E1: Dwight tears the head off of Phyllis’ teddy bear and pulls a knife on Jim; Meredith breaks into Michael’s nephew’s car; Michael spanks his nephew
S7E2: Dwight attempts to open a daycare center that is absolutely not up to safety codes; Toby allows Michael to forge his counseling paperwork
S7E4: Dwight is shown attempting to pick up what would appear to be illegal immigrants for day labour and then instead of paying them, has Mose pretend to be an INS agent, kidnaps the workers, and then drops them off in Harrisburg; Holly claims that multiple people died in a traffic accident (though it’s incredibly likely that she was kidding); Michael takes an incredibly quick turn without his turn signal on
S7E5: Michael, Dwight, and Jim secretly watch Danny’s meeting with Meredith through hidden cameras (only illegal if they are recording the footage)
S7E7: Angela steals all of the scones from Cece’s christening (though they were for public consumption so it probably wouldn’t constitute as theft)
S7E8: The Scranton Strangler leads police on a high speed pursuit; Michael tells Pam that he has a loaded gun hidden in his desk at the office; Michael cuts the cable going to Gabe’s apartment
S7E10: Erin floats the idea of hiring a new employee, killing them, and then cashing in on the life insurance policy; Dwight and Phyllis float the idea of bombing China; Pam accuses Dwight of breaking property code laws
S7E11: Dwight and Jim keep throwing snowballs at each other with force, and some that contained pebbles (snowball fights themselves aren’t illegal, but it’s illegal in most places to throw objects which could be considered missiles, and Jim is also shown with what appears to be blood on his clothes afterwards); Dwight asks Toby is he’s on the jury for the middle school teacher who tried to turn a foreign exchange student into a sex slave; Meredith asks Toby if it’s the case with the postman who rubbed his genitals on deliveries; Michael throws out supplies and food meant for the Christmas party; Dwight is shown dragging the Christmas tree out of the office to throw it out; one of the snowballs that Jim lobs at Dwight breaks a window; Michael throws Holly’s Woody doll into the trash and pours coffee on it
S7E12: Jim stabs a few snowmen with his umbrella hoping that Dwight is hiding in one of them
S7E13: Michael claims that regardless if Holly gets engaged or not, he will probably either attack people in rage or burn the building down in happiness
S7E15: Michael leaves without paying at the Chinese restaurant; Creed is also listed on the wall of diners who did not pay for their meal
S7E17: Michael most likely did not have permits to film in some of the locations featured in Threat Level Midnight; multiple characters in Michael’s film are seen using guns (you do not need a permit to have a gun in your home or business place in Pennsylvania, but multiple characters concealed their weapons during the film, though the guns are likely fake); a mannequin of Toby is blown up during Michael’s film (depending on the type of explosive used, certification may be required); during the hockey scene of the film, Michael comments that it was filmed during an actual Scranton High hockey game (could be seen as defiant trespassing and/or disorderly conduct)
S7E18: Packer humps Michael and Dwight while they’re underneath a desk; Dwight throws away Holly’s zen garden; Dwight offers Packer a hot chocolate laced with many laxatives (depending on the amount, it could be considered assault or even homicide since extreme dehydration could kill someone); Andy purposely does damage to his computer’s keyboard and hard drive; Andy and Pam slightly damage Andy’s new computer; Jim and Dwight pretend to be Sabre employees and tell Packer he can jump the gate at Jo’s house
S7E19: Ryan uses Phyllis and Oscar’s faces on his mom’s pesto and salsa recipes (would fall under right of publicity laws); Ryan adds a Kosher certification onto his mom’s pesto recipe (against FDA regulations); Michael pours gasoline all over the parking lot; Michael wants to steal a corpse from a medical school to use in his proposal to Holly
S7E20: Michael eggs Toby’s house; Kevin colors on a restaurant tablecloth with crayons; Ryan admits to have done drugs in the past
S7E21: Gabe confronts Andy and threatens him to stay away from Erin (could be considered criminal threatening); Deangelo claims that he caught the person who stole one of Jo’s dogs
S7E24: Dwight accidentally fires his gun through the floor; Meredith claims that during the shooting she lost her necklace, a ring, and a painting and will be reporting it to the insurance company; Ryan claims that Dwight’s accident felt like an act of terrorism; Pam claims that Dwight has hidden more weapons in the office
S7E25: Creed parks his car in the middle of the parking lot
S7E26: Dwight admits that he would have created a fake identity for his character of Jacques Souvenier if Jo had hired him as manager
S8E1: Dwight uses a fire extinguisher to knock Meredith off of the top of a bathroom stall, drops a ream of paper on a warehouse employee’s head to get him off a table, and flips a table over to get Toby off of it; Dwight throws Jim’s phone against the wall with force and a shatter is heard; Dwight instigates a fight between nearly everyone in the office
S8E2: Andy says he will streak across the parking lot if the office accrues enough points
S8E3: Dwight pours his drink on the inside of someone’s car; Oscar smashes the car’s window and brake light with a crowbar; Dwight drives the baler through the warehouse wall; Erin and Kevin spread grease all over the warehouse floor; Dwight, Jim, Erin, and Kevin damage multiple boxes of paper
S8E4: Dunder Mifflin billboards across town are shown to be vandalized; Mose crashes Toby’s car into a corn field; Mose very tightly lines up everyone’s cars so that he can run across the roofs (he likely made scratches and dents while planning and executing this plan)
S8E5: Dwight is shown to have brought many weapons into the office in the past as part of Halloween costumes and threatened to kill Toby with them (though the weapons were never concealed and Toby usually confiscated them before he entered the office
S8E6: Oscar stated in an email that he believes that Robert has strangled at least one stripper; Kelly states in an email that they should kill Robert; Dwight’s accountability booster is dangerously close to a form of blackmail; Gabe says that he is going to go to a cemetery and drink (it’s actually illegal to drink in most cemeteries); Pam stops Kevin from hitting Dwight over the head with a frying pan; Jim takes Robert’s phone and attempts to deletes an email (technically illegal to use someone’s phone without their permission)
S8E7: Dwight repeatedly grabs Jim’s crotch
S8E8: A Civil War informational video reveals that the soldiers from Schrute Farm were soldiers that went AWOL
S8E9: When Dwight suggests that everyone in the office is in a suicide cult, Creed strongly denies it, implying that he probably is in one; Jim leaves his car running and unattended in the middle of the parking lot
S8E10: Dwight punches Jim in the arm; Erin asks Andy for Jessica to die; Meredith threatens to drive drunk if Andy doesn’t drive her home; Meredith rides in the back of her van without a seatbelt on
S8E11: Andy asks Oscar to add $800 to their quarterly sales, implying it could be seen as a rounding error; Kevin offers to make that rounding error for Andy
S8E12: Jim drives over Robert’s lawn and breaks his mailbox
S8E15: Jim creates a fake murder scene in his hotel room for Dwight which involved stained towels, knocked over and possibly broken furniture, a writing on the door; Dwight threatens to light Jim’s face on fire; Dwight leaves the hospital with his IV solution bag, which implies he likely didn’t pay for his visit before leaving
S8E16: Gabe sprays an inhaler into Packer’s drink; Dwight damages his hotel room keycard; Dwight sprays a compound of chemicals in Jim’s hotel room creating what he claims is a biohazard
S8E17: Multiple homeless people are sleeping on the sidewalk outside the Sabre store (it’s usually only illegal for homeless individuals to sleep on the sidewalk if a shelter is available); Dwight tells Packer that he should act like a sexual predator when talking to the female teenage customers; a group of children throw pinecones at Andy and Pam, and one of them punches Andy in the face resulting in a black eye; Creed strikes the back of Meredith’s head; Ryan calls his uncle to get a prescription for Ritalin; Kelly attacks Toby and then accidentally elbows Andy in the face
S8E18: Dwight leaves a treasure chest in the office which fires a poisoned dart upwards at whomever opens it; Jim and Dwight tackle and punch each other; Kevin forcibly kisses Meredith
S8E19: Darryl drags Dwight out of his office by his hair; Andy tosses a container of eggplant parmesan onto the street; Andy leaves his car unattended in the middle of an intersection
S8E20: Dwight offers to hit Nellie with a candlestick; Jessica’s friends throw food at Andy’s car
S8E21: Andy smashes the frame holding a picture of Nellie; Andy punches another hole into the wall
S8E22: Andy loiters at the office parking lot
S8E23: Dwight and Jim create a fake identity to work around the commission cap (Dwight even admits that it’s extremely similar to embezzlement or fraud); Harry threatens to choke out Toby; Dwight tells Jim he should dent the hood of Harry’s car or slash the tires; Dwight attempts to activate the elevator’s seismic failsafes to stop the elevator; Pam steals Nellie’s phone and deletes all of her voicemails (technically illegal to use someone’s phone without their permission); Andy tells Robert if he doesn’t hire him back, he will give Prestige Direct Mail Solutions’ business to a competitor (technically blackmail)
S8E24: Kevin and Robert accidentally head butt each other; Andy mops the carpets, likely damaging them; Dwight steals Philip’s used diaper so he can have a paternity test done (this is called gene theft); Angela and Dwight both speed and drive recklessly; Angela hits Mose multiple times; Dwight and Mose both leave their cars unattended in the middle of the street; Robert forcibly kisses Andy; Dwight forces himself on Angela (though seconds later she is a willing participant)
S9E1: Andy threatens to make up a reason to fire Nellie (since Toby is aware of this, if Nellie were to sue Andy, Toby would have to testify against him); Andy purposely pushes Nellie off of the slack-lining rope; Dwight deconstructs Dunder Mifflin equipment to create his trapeze set; Dwight gets stuck on the slack-line and the fire department has to come to get him down; Andy places all of the recycling bins near Nellie and has people throw their trash at her
S9E2: While the building’s janitor is on vacation, the building becomes incredibly dirty to the point where rats can be seen (likely against multiple health codes); Nellie forces Dwight into a situation where he has to chop off her hand (though he doesn’t go through with it)
S9E3: Nellie drives recklessly; Nellie uses her phone while driving
S9E4: Dwight and Toby find EMF hotspots in the office which could imply that there’s poor wiring in the building (depending on how bad the wiring actually is, this could actually break laws); Stanley threatens to spank Clark; Dwight drives the work bus (depending on the type of bus it was, Dwight would need a certain license to drive it); Phyllis asks someone to just start driving the bus while Dwight is on the roof; Dwight drops himself through the rooftop emergency exit on the bus onto Jim; Dwight drives the bus recklessly
S9E5: Creed comes into the office with blood stains all over his clothes (it likely was not his blood, so he may have harmed someone); Andy reveals he had sex with a snowman while at Cornell (would fall under public indecency); Dwight catches Meredith in a net and causes her to fall to the floor
S9E6: Kevin leaves his car in the middle of the parking lot so he can run to the bathroom; Oscar forges documents to make it looks like Kevin has been taking money from Dunder Mifflin; Nellie, Jim, Pam, and Darryl create a situation where Dwight believes that police have surrounded David’s house; Pete’s friend Flipper once drunkenly flipped a table over at a bar
S9E7: Dwight claims he used to have a barber who fought dogs and made dogs fight each other; Clark is used as leverage by Dwight to get Jan’s business (this trade would be dangerously close to prostitution)
S9E8: Dwight reveals that Trevor has had numerous guns stolen from him; Angela hires Trevor to murder Oscar; Dwight claims he has left poop in a paper bag on people’s porches (would be classified as vandalism); Trevor claims that people have left poop in a bag on his porch multiple times; Angela asks Trevor to break Oscar’s kneecaps instead; Trevor brings a concealed weapon into the office; Phyllis taps a stranger on the back with the sharp end of a knife; Phyllis forcibly removes a decorative wine bottle from its base; Angela kicks Oscar in the shin
S9E9: Dwight hits Oscar and Jim with a stick; Darryl collapses on a table and breaks it in half
S9E10: Dwight throws his coffee cup up in the air, likely staining the carpet; Dwight sprays a disinfectant in Erin, Pam, Angela, and Meredith’s faces; Erin tackles Stanley; Meredith reveals that one of her exes keyed a bunch of people’s cars; Meredith also reveals that she pooped into an office shredder; Dwight accidentally sets off an insecticidal grenade (I don’t believe there is a real insecticidal grenade but I’m sure there’s some law against either setting one off or doing so with people nearby); Angela hits Oscar in the head with a coffee pot; Kevin misuses one of the warehouse machines and causes it to break; Dwight accidentally sets off another insecticidal grenade in his car (he most likely still drove his car after while experiencing hallucinogenic side effects)
S9E11: Jim is seen driving a motorcycle (Jim likely did not have a motorcycle license); Dwight suggests that Jim should drive 240 miles per hour so he can get to the office faster; Creed steals Phyllis’ ring; Kevin forcibly lifts Angela up multiple times; Darryl misses a basketball hoop and accidentally breaks a wall lamp and electrocutes a fish tank (though Darryl agreed to pay for the damage); multiple people in the office tear up the carpet flooring
S9E12: Dwight rips open a couch cushion with a knife; Dwight drives one of the delivery trucks (he likely does not have a license to drive the truck); Dwight throws a milkshake through the drive-thru window at an employee; a customer in the drive-thru throws a milkshake at Dwight
S9E13: Dwight reveals that Rolf uses hand grenades to fish; Mose is seen running in the middle of the street (could be considered jaywalking); Dwight reveals that when he was a child, he went to a school that was run by a conman; one of Dwight’s friends reveals that the school used the students as labor; Melvina reveals that she’s been double parked for about two hours; Dwight gives the sales rep applicants Jim’s home address so they can toilet paper it; Rolf tells Dwight to be weary of any suspicious packages he may get, implying that he’ll be sending him potentially dangerous packages; Dwight attempts to suffocate Clarke
S9E14: Frank vandalizes Pam’s warehouse mural; Angela hits Oscar; Dwight and Pam vandalize Frank’s truck; Frank rushes at Pam with the intent to hit her; Brian hits Frank in the face with his boom mic
S9E15: Meredith suggests that everyone in the office should try cocaine
S9E16: Dwight’s Aunt Shirley slaps Angela; Andy snoops through Erin’s phone; Andy kicks Toby; Angela accidentally sets off the hose on Dwight (the hose likely has the same pressure as a firehose, which is about 150 PSI, so this could be considered assault); Toby leaves the prison wearing a neck brace after visiting the Scranton Stranger, implying the Strangler attempted to strangled him;
S9E17: Dwight throws dirt in the faces of Erin, Phyllis, Kevin, Oscar, Meredith, Angela, Stanley, Pam and Jim; Dwight’s brother Jeb drives his car into Aunt Shirley’s grave; Packer reveals he’s in Narcotics Anonymous, implying he used to use drugs; Dwight reveals that his family members have accidentally buried family members who were thought to be dead but were actually in deep sleep; Dwight unloads a shotgun into his aunt’s corpse; Jeb reveals that he owns a worm farm in California (medical marijuana was not legalized in California until 2018); Packer reveals that the cupcakes he gave out to everyone in the office, as well as to Jim and Darryl were laced with drugs, some legal and some not; Packer is seen having parked his car halfway between a handicapped spot and a do-not-park zone; Clarke reveals that while drugged, he defected in some bushes
S9E18: Dwight dumps a bucket of water onto Phyllis, and is likely the same person who dumped a bucket of water onto Andy as well (technically would be classified as assault); Meredith exposes her breasts in the office; Angela slaps Oscar
S9E19: Dwight shoots Stanley with three tranquilizers meant for a bull (horse tranquilizers can cause serious harm to humans, and a bull tranquilizer likely has a higher dosage); Meredith squirts some of the bull tranquilizer into her drink (probably not illegal since she put it into her own drink, but it would be classified as placing a foreign object into an edible, which is actually a felony); Dwight and Clarke accidentally slam Stanley’s unconscious body into two walls; while sliding down a flight of stairs, Stanley’s unconscious body makes a dent in the wall; Andy kicks over an empty trash can; a man at the talent agency claims that through his dog-cat-mouse act, he goes through a lot of mice (allowing your pet to eat live animals can be considered animal cruelty); Stanley tranquilizes himself so that he doesn’t have to climb the stairs
S9E20: Creed smashes a melon on the warehouse floor; Pam accidentally hits Toby in the eye with a paper airplane; Erin reveals that when she was in the orphanage, she once ripped Susan’s pigtails off of her head; Erin crushes a box of packing peanuts; Clarke asks Pam and Jim to share the drugs he think they’re high on; Angela is seen taking rolls of toilet paper from the office
S9E21: Lackawanna County takes away “two sacks” worth of Angela’s cats because she is violating her apartment complex’s pet rules; Dwight throws his briefcase and hits multiple items; Dwight nearly kicks and punches multiple in the office; Andy asks Toby to falsify files; Andy attempts to grope Toby; Andy dedicates on David’s car (this would be classified as vandalism and public indecency);
S9E22: Dwight reveals that his grandmother was shot by Adolph Coors; Dwight throws the summoning bag against the back of Jim’s head; Casey Dean jumps on the back of the a cappella show host; Meredith spanks Darryl; Dwight is seen driving with his police light on his car; Dwight drives recklessly
S9E23: Dwight reveals that Creed faked his own death; Dwight also reveals that the police are looking for Creed as he sold drugs, trafficked endangered animal meat, and stole weapons-grade LSD from the military; Oscar reveals that Kevin used to make up numbers to balance the books; Mose kidnaps Angela and locks her in his trunk for three hours; Creed changes his identity; Ryan reveals that his partner abandoned him and their child; Ryan purposely gives his son an allergic reaction; Kelly and Ryan abandon his son with Ravi; Nellie takes Ryan’s son as her own child (she didn’t legally adopt him so this would be considered child abduction); Pam attempts to sell their home without Jim’s knowledge (since Jim bought the house as a surprise, his name is likely on the deed as well and Pam wouldn’t be able to sell it without him); Kevin spills alcohol all over a cabinet while filling up glasses
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2018.08.15 19:34 PrettyPissyPrincess Topless teen beach

Hello fellow Daughters and DILs! I've been a reader for a long time and I've made a new account to post about my baby rabies infected MIL. We have an upcoming visit and I'm having extreme anxiety about how crazy she makes me feel. Sorry, its going to be long.
I'll give you a bit of a background, skip down to PRESENT if you don't care about her mild JN history.
MIL has two boys. DH and BIL. Both are married and in their 30s. Both also avoid MIL because growing up she pushed them to be who she wanted them to be. She doesn't really care about what interests them, just so long as she can still fit them into her narrative her in head. MIL forced them into every activity because she needs people to believe she has the perfect family. MIL would force her teenage boys and their friends to hang out with her so much so that one prom they didn't want pictures and just wanted to go to dinner with friends. They didn't tell her what restaurant they were going to but somehow MIL shows up with a video camera and takes an awkward video of her ashamed teens. MIL also had an affair that lasted years, and during that time really stopped caring about her boys. She was shocked when they wanted to live with FIL instead of her, even though FIL always showed up for their games and didn't call her out for having an affair. Hes a peaceful guy, and shes a whirlwind.
Shes also had some mental breakdowns (haven't we all) because things weren't going her perfect way. Shes pushy and uses guilt to manipulate you into doing her bidding. She doesn't see that other people have needs or wants, and sometimes my D(ear handsome sweet man)H and I have to talk to her like a therapist and explain why others don't just go along with whatever she wants all the time.
So last year, DH and I had a miscarriage. It was early in the unplanned pregnancy but we were both devastated. We had told both our families, and MIL was thrilled! We knew we wanted a family, and it was my second miscarriage in my life and I was worried maybe we wouldn't be able to have a child. I didn't want any visitors after it happened. My DH told everyone to please not contact me because I need some time to lick my wounds in a safe space and not have to explain my feelings to people. MIL texts me anyway, then shows up at our house while I am outside. I run in as soon as I see her car, and my DH goes out and gets a gift basket. She wanted to give it to me herself! Thankfully my guy is so supportive and understanding and he shot her down. She texts me again saying she is thinking of me and she hopes I'm ok. I know she was trying to be sweet, but she was asked to leave me alone and she couldn't do it.
Some times passes. My birthday comes up, and MIL tells us she wants a grand baby for Christmas. I didn't think much of it at the time because I also wanted a baby for Christmas. DH and I had been 'not-not trying' for a couple months. At the time I'm still worried that maybe something is wrong with my lady bits and I can't sustain life. MIL knew this was a concern of mine, but still brings up my getting pregnant anyway.
Christmas rolls around and WE DID IT!! We are 12 weeks at Christmas!! We tell MIL with a cute grandma onesie! MIL is so happy she cries. Shes finally going to be a grandma! MIL wants to post on facebook because she is already the best grandma in the world! We tell her we don't want to broadcast the pregnancy for two reasons. We want to be sure it'll stick and also because the hardest thing for me during my miscarriage was to see people on my social media announcing their pregnancy and showing off weekly baby bumps. I didn't want anyone else who was struggling with conceiving to go through what I did. MIL isn't happy with this and for weeks brings up how she wants to share it with her 'friends.' DH tells her each time that she can tell anyone she wants, we just don't want anything on social media. This makes the MIL sad.
Before I'm even 20 weeks along, MILs trying to gift me all her 30+ year old baby stuff. I love stuff second hand, and we were already getting a crib from a friend of ours. I don't want to hurt her feelings, so I make the mistake of telling her she can set up the crib at her house for when she baby sits. This must trigger something in her to NEVER listen to anything else we say about what we want for our baby. After this visit is when MIL goes from overbearing to UNBEARABLE!
Lots of BEC moments happen. We seen MIL a couple times a month during the pregnancy. One day MIL texts me about my maternity leave. I tell her that I can't wait because being pregnant and a manger sucks a shit ton more than just being a manager. She asks how long I am taking. Now granted, we have told MIL in the past that I'm going to be a stay at home mom. No shame to my working mommas, ya'll are seriously badass! Both my mom and MIL were SAHM's, and its something DH and I both wanted for our kids. MIL says I'll get bored at home and miss the extra income. I tell her that if that happens, I might go back part time. MIL then tells me she plans on retiring next year (very early) because she hates her job and she would baby sit for us full time. I tell her we've got baby's caregiver situation all figured out but we'll definitely need her for date nights and such. Not good enough for MIL. She responds telling me that she wants to watch him like DH and I watch my niece and nephew (once a week, as a favor to my sis. We love them but we don't want always went to spend our days off babysitting.) I tell her again that it isn't necessary, but we'll definitely need her sometimes. No response.
We go to dinner with her later that week. MIL asks about how our nursery is coming along. Then she says she still needs to set up her nursery and baby proof her whole house. DH shuts her down reminding her I will be a SAHM and when we do need a sitter we would prefer it at our place since its for such a short period of time and probably at night. MIL whines and says "I just want to be considered to watch baby sometimes!" I feel bad. Maybe we've been over reacting a little. I tell her that of course she'll get to watch him! We will work something out closer to baby's actual being borned day.
Baby shower plans happen a month before baby shower. I text MIL to let her know the date my sister and I had picked out. MIL says that won't do because she is going on vacation. Asks if we can do day 2 weeks away while DH is still in school or day that baby could possibly already be born if baby comes early. I think about about for awhile, then tell MIL that the weekend we picked works best for us because of school and my family and FIL who told me their plans BEFORE I made any myself. MIL doesn't respond. Days later she texts DH and asks if she can call him and talk to him. DH says yes you can but we're in the car. She calls, we answer and he puts her on speaker. I say 'Hey mom!" Just to let her know that I am present for the convo. MIL makes small talk (remember this, its a theme for DH and MIL's whole relationship) until she drops the bomb. "Why can't you guys change the baby shower to this or that weekend? I have vacation plans with friends." DH looks at me then says "Mom, you didn't tell us of the plans until after we made our own. Plus it is the weekend that works best for the majority." She starts crying, then says "I guess its more important for FIL's GF to be there than me." I tell her thats not the case, as we just explained. We would love for her to come and to let us know if her plans change because ours can't. MIL cries and immediately hangs up the phone. MIL doesn't change her plans. She goes to her friends beach house. Obviously her grand baby's shower isn't that important.
We decide to announce the baby on social media with pics from the baby shower, and MIL doesn't like or comment on any of them.
We tell everyone but my mother that for the birth day we don't want visitors at the hospital, and we will have everyone come visit once we are home. MIL hears that everyone should stay home except her. So DH and I decide she will find out baby has been born once we get home.
MORE BEC happens, more asking to babysitting and trying to make plans about something months away. MIL tries to guilt us into doing what she wants but our spines get shinier every time.
PRESENT:
BOOM! I go into labor and its scary as heck! I prepared for anything except unmediated birth. Guess who decides to come so fast it has to be? I'm admitted to the hospital 7cm's dilated at 8pm, baby arrives at 8:49pm. I'm a little traumatized from the whole thing. DH decides to tell MIL the next morning because hes worried about hurting her poor little feelings. I tell him sure, whatever. I just don't want any visitors until we get home. I also mention that its kind of mean to tell her but then tell her she can't come visit. I think it would hurt her feelings less to just wait to tell her till tomorrow when we are home and she can come visit RIGHT AWAY! Its his choice though, and he texts her and says in the message that we are very tired and we will let her know when we are ready for visitors. MIL doesn't respond for hours, then says she will be in the area later that day and she can stop by for just an hour. I tell him to give her 15 mins, whatever. I'm exhausted and I know DH just wants to keep the peace.
She stays for 30 minutes. Its like a photo shoot. Shes all dressed up and immediately has her BF snapping tons of pictures of her holding the baby. I insist that her JYBF (Whom I literally love. I wish he was my grandpa!) hold his new little family member. MIL frowns. She wants all the time to be about her. Finally DH says that its time for baby to eat, and tells mom we will let her know when we are home. She goes on her way. I remember that we hadn't told her that we don't want baby to have a social media presence till he can consent to it. DH texts her and says "Hey, please don't post the pics on social media. Blah blah blah." MIL doesn't respond for hours, then finally hits him with the 'K'. How would anyone know she is the worlds #1 grandma if she can't post on facebook about it!!!
I should also add that during 30 min visit, MIL mentioned to me a 'friend' had gifted her a ton of baby stuff. Think crib, play pen, car seat. Lots of big items you need if you are a full time caregiver of a baby. MIL has been told probably 100 times that we don't need her to be a regular caregiver. MIL obviously has hearing issues. I'm very sleep deprived and all I can think to say is "great." Man I wish I had been able to come back with something better.
We get home, and MIL texts us every day asking dumb questions. "Did you like the hospital? What are you eating for dinner? Hows breastfeeding?" (This one is loaded... you'll see.) She wants daily baby pictures (gag, no. He still looks the same and we aren't going to set up any obligations) and she is asking to visit all the time. DH makes plans with her for the weekend after we are home with BIL and SIL.
One of our AC's break an hour before visitors are supposed to arrive. I'm all fucked up on baby hormones and I start bawling because I think the house and thus baby will over heat with all the guests and I ask everyone to just wait a minute before they leave to come here. We might need to reschedule. MIL suggests she just stop by and we can sit out back. Its July and also a heat wave. I tell her no, please just wait and let us get something figured out. MIL calls BIL who calls DH and says that MIL is crying and freaking out thinking its not fair. She just wants to see her grandbaby!? BIL doesn't put up with her shit, but he also doesn't want to hear her complain. DH gets another AC and we can visit with them at the scheduled time. I talk to my mom and feel better.
They come, they pass baby around, and then baby needs to eat. I go upstairs to the nursery. After 20 minutes, DH comes up to check on me. He says they want to see the baby. (They being MIL, because BIL doesn't care and SIL is a good friend who was invited to come up and hang with me.) I remind him eating is on the baby's terms, not mine. Coincidentally baby finishes up, and we head back down to deal with MIL.
More dumb questions, more wanting to hold him. She makes some weird comment about how she can cross getting a grandchild off her bucket list and die happy, then looks at me and says "Now I just want to know him." Weird. Of course you will know him MIL! Maybe not in the way you want to. Baby starts fussing again because baby wants boob. I say "Aw. Baby looks hungry!" MIL ignores me completely. Baby starts full on crying and MIL tries to shush a one week old who was rooting at her breast. I choke up and tell DH that I am getting tired. He kicks everyone out.
While the front door is open and we're saying goodbyes, MIL turns to me and asks me when baby can take a bottle. I tell her it has to be at least a month, but we will most likely we waiting even longer. MIL says "But I want to babysit." I remind her that we are waiting, and I say baby needs to be with me. MIL won't stop. "But I really want to babysit baby, even if you just go to the grocery store." I start crying and stutter out "But baby needs to be with me." While DH says "MOM! Baby has to be with Princess!" MILs CBF rears its ugly head and she leaves without saying goodbye to me. Later while I'm decompressing with DH, he tells me that while I was upstairs feeding baby she asked him when baby could have bottle and he had told her that it wasn't for a long time, at least a couple months. So why did she need to ask me?
MIL continues to text us every day asking to visit. We decide we want visits with her to stay as they have always been for both DH's and my sanity- About once a month or less. Neither DH or I feel very safe emotionally with MIL. Its always rough when shes around. But MIL isn't getting the hint. DH tells her no every time she asks to come over because we have other plans. We visit a lot with mostly JYFIL and my JYMom, the grandparents who are supportive and will love our baby the way baby deserves to be loved! They see baby as a human being, and not their new plaything. How Bizzare! Our relationships with their SO's aren't perfect but that's a story for another post.
MIL stops texting in the group chat and starts asking DH privately. She thinks if she corners him without me he'll say yes? I'm not sure why but she thinks not talking to me will get her closer to baby. She texts DH after a month has gone by and says "Hey son! Its been a whole month since I've seen baby! I would like to have dinner sometime this week. I am free every day but tuesday. Let me know what day works for you." This is the start of her guilt trip. My mother was just diagnosed with cancer, and we are going to her house to take care of her pets for the week. My mother doesn't want anyone to know about said cancer, so we just tell MIL we are busy all this week but maybe next week would work better and I will personally let her know closer to the day when we are free. MIL again hits us with the K after hours of nothing.
MIL calls DH on Sunday, and starts with the dumb questions. I wasn't listening to the conversation, just a retelling by DH who tends to play down her crazy. "How is your garden? What are you having for dinner? Can DH, Princess, and Baby make a 12 hour round trip to visit great grandma next weekend?" He tells her no. Then bam! "WHEN CAN I SEE THAT BABY?" DH tells her that we are very busy, and we will let her know. MIL says but its been over a month and I'm the grandma! I want to see my grandbaby! Its not fair!!!!!! DH asks her if she is trying to guilt him into visiting with her. MIL is FURIOUS!! Of course not!! She just wants to be with her grandson! DH tells her that we are very busy and we've had a lot going on, which is true. I was topless for about 2 weeks with nipples healing, plus baby has a possible tongue tie and we've been to the doctors because of first time parent panic more than we would like to admit. MIL tells DH she needs to see baby once a week, and she wants it to be babysitting! DH tells her that isn't possible, and he's sorry. MIL says fine and promptly gets off the phone.
DH is so upset. I've never seen him get that flustered by his mother. Hes raging around the house, and calls BIL to complain about her crazy behavior. I get permission from him to talk to MIL myself and shut this shit down once and for all.
I lied a bit. I wanted to give her reasons that she couldn't fight with without looking like a selfish jerk face. In a nutshell, I told MIL we would make plans with her when it worked for us. Fortunately for baby, lots of people want to see baby. We are trying to keep visits with all 3 sets of grandma's fair (FIL's GF who MIL hates, MIL, and my mom). If we saw MIL every single week, we would have to see my family and FIL's gf once a week also. DH and I can't do that much entertaining. And as for babysitting, we do not need her to watch baby anytime soon. I am not returning to work and I will be keeping baby with me at all times. I explained that I knew MIL had all that baby stuff at her place but she didn't need it at all. I also explain that I keep DH's and I's schedule and all plans should be made through me. I want to avoid her pissing him off anymore than she already has, and he always asks me about plans anyway.
MIL tries to not respond to me for hours. I text her and ask her if she got my message because it is very important. She responds by saying verbatim "I know how hard having a newborn can be. I hear you. (Are you sure you can, MIL?) Can we get together x weekend for GMIL to meet baby or will that be too much?" No apologies for making DH upset. No real backing off. Whatever. I want baby to meet GMIL before she passes. "Yes, that weekend will work." Now since I cracked down on MIL, we've heard nothing. But as you can see, MIL has a pattern of being quiet after boundaries are set, then waiting a little and asking again until hopefully she gets her way.
So that weekend is approaching, and I'm so nervous. Last time we visited with MIL I saw red every time she held him. I was so angry at her that I probably had laser beams shooting out of my eyes, and that was before she mentioned babysitting as she was leaving. I worry about it often and my poor DH is tired of hearing me plan out how we will respond if she boundary stomps. He assures me that he will stop her, but she often comes at us individually and I don't want to talk to her about it anymore.
I'm already trying to think of ways to get out of it. I want baby to meet GMIL, but I feel like I can't fight with MIL anymore. I'm so tired of her not hearing us and respecting our wishes. I know it seems small, but there is a lot of other stuff built up. MIL treats everyone like they are just puppets in her little perfect fantasy world and that isn't someone I feel safe with my baby being close to.
I have a lot of narc family members who I wish that I hadn't been allowed to have a relationship with because of how badly they hurt me. I want to protect my child from that disappointment. She tried to force both of her boys to be something they weren't. Both had substance abuse issues and I think its from the pressure to preform. Once they got out from under her thumb they went berserk! And now they both have LC and they are happy healthy adults, give or take a few fleas.
I suggested to DH that he go without me. He said I should go because if she doesn't act crazy he won't believe me that she is changing. Well YEAH! I don't believe she will change. And I'm tired of how she makes me feel and I don't want to act like that in front of people I love and respect like MIL's BF, BIL and SIL. I haven't actually had an outburst or anything, its just normally I'm such a friendly and happy smiley lady and she makes me rage. But I also don't want her to have access to my baby without me there. I know DH won't watch her as closely as I will. I could see her sneaking into our diaper bag to get a bottle or taking him upstairs to change him. I don't want anyone to change him who hasn't been properly shown how to (hes the first person in our entire family to be uncircumcised), and I'm also very worried about my child getting molested by a family member because people I am very close to were molested by close family members. I trust my husband and my mother and my sister but that's about it. Even then I find myself panicking about one of them hurting baby.
I've talked to my doctor, and they have said how I feel is normal and if I feel that I need some extra help with anxiety to let them know and we can try meds. Well, I've been medicated a lot in the past. I have a strong history with therapy and medication and I'm currently med free! I'm happier than I have ever been and I know that medication isn't a magic band aid that will make the bad thoughts go away. I'd rather not go that route unless I have to.
So what can I do? Have any of you had a similar situation and how did you handle it? I'm looking for any advice really even if seems obvious. I've found all of your stories about your own MIL's so enlightening and healing and you've really helped get to where I am today with MIL and FIL's GF who we are no contact with (good llama snacks for another day.)
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2018.06.28 05:49 stonerstephen Topless teen beach

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2018.05.30 19:01 BlancheFromage What SGI-USA (then NSA) was like during the late 1960s

In order to understand what happened, why certain decisions were made by the Japan HQ, why things unfolded as they did, it's important to have an idea of how it all began. Here are the recollections of someone who was there, boots on the ground, in the late 1960s:

I received my Gohonzon on July 14, 1968. I was 21 years old. At the time, I was signed to Columbia Records with my band, The Giant Sunflower. We were part of the LA “flower poweŕ” music scene. Our producer was Lou Adler who also produced The Mamas & Papas. As co-owner of the famous Whiskey a Go Go on the Sunset strip, Lou had us billed as the opening act for some of the tops bands who all played The Whiskey when they came to town– such as Van Morrison & Them, Eric Burden & The Animals, Steppenwolf,. Did a couple concerts opening for The Buffalo Springfield (Neil Young, Steven Stills).
As a new member, Mr. Masayasu Sadanaga, our U.S. national leader [who would later change his name to George M. Williams], invited me to begin performing at various events, accompanied by The Tribune Band. The were the days before “real” music business celebrities like Tina Turner, Herbie Hancock, Wayne Shorter joined. Mr. Sadanaga took me under his wing, so to speak, as his token celebrity, and I was honored to do anything I could to promote Kosen Rufu.
I was a member of Malibu Chapter, led by Larry Shaw and Bobbi Frank. Also, as a member of the Young Women’s Division, we attended shakubuku meetings every night and on the weekends as well. On Sunday mornings, we had fife & drum corps practice, after which we would often go straight to our meeting house for more shakubuku meetings. This was the way of it for many years. Hard core. Fanatical. Crazy. Amazing. This was how the organization grew so quickly.
It was during the first year of my practice that I received a phone call from my chapter chief, Larry Shaw, summoning me to the US Headquarters located on the beach in Santa Monica. He said Mr. Sadanaga wanted to see me. This was a big deal for a member– like being invited to The White House.
When I arrived, I was escorted into Mr. Sadanaga’s office. My General Chapter Chief, Chuck Parker, was also there. Mr. Sadanaga told us about this song that the Japanese members considered to be their “anthem”. The English translation of the title may have been “Forever Sensei”– I don’t recall.
In any case, Mr.Sadanaga played us the song on a cassette tape recorder. Our “mission” was to write new lyrics to the music as Mr. Sadanaga wanted to present it to President Ikeda.
Chuck and I then went upstairs to the World Tribune office, cassette recorder and tape in hand. It was probably 8 pm or so. We listened to the song over and over as we came up with ideas and lyrics. Around 4 or 5am, Chuck fell asleep on a nearby couch as I put the finishing touches on our lyrics. I then typed it out and took a short nap–waiting for Mr. Sadanaga to arrive at his office .
Upon his arrival, Chuck and I immediately presented what we had written. I sang the new “NSA” lyrics along with the music. Mr. Sadanaga loved it. However, he did make one change. He took out part of the first line of each verse and replaced it with “la la la la la”. Although I didn’t say anything at the time, I thought the lyric change was a little immature. As it turns out, it was perfect!!!!
The mid-sixties in Los Angeles was full of a lot of characters, most of whom were full of a lot of acid. As young people barely out of our teens, we sniffed them out. Before I joined, there were places with people that would draw us.
The one and only Vampira
There was the original glamour goth, Elvira (aka. Vampira), who had a little cottage just west of Doheny on 3rd Street. We would stop by and meet with the sorceress. I think there were drugs involved – but she was a drug herself. She would appear all in black, with black hair, thick eye shadow and a pale face.
Then there was Gypsy Boots, an old guy (50 years old or so!) with grayish hair and a beard. He would show up everywhere on the Sunset Strip spouting the virtues of Vegetarianism, a unique idea coming after the hamburgers of 1950’s America.
The famous Gypsy Boots
Down by the beach, between Topanga and Malibu, near the present-day Duke’s, there was a strip of rundown cottages from the 1930’s. They rented for $200 or $300 dollars a month. In one of these cottages, there was John Franco, who would always welcome young boys with a large bowl of pot.
We started each day at John’s and by midday we would be at Vampira’s. We would then finish off the night on Sunset amongst a swirling mass of humanity. There would be impromptu dancing and singing that moved the crowd, which sometimes spilled off the sidewalks and into the streets.
One night, just before midnight, as the clubs let out, I found myself in a crowd of seekers, hippies, Hari Krishna drummers and chanters led by Taj Mahal, a famous sixties rocker. We all ended up moving in a semi-chaotic conga line snaking down the Boulevard with Gypsy Boots as the self-appointed drum major. This type of thing was my life – along with working at a parking kiosk in Westwood three days a week – before October 1965 when I joined the Soka Gakkai.
And then, there was the strangest character of all: Chuck Parker, who led my first Buddhist meeting. He was a combo of the physical manifestation of the Dickens character, Uriah Heep, with the mystery of Mr. Miyagi from the Karate Kid. 35-years-old, tall , pale, gaunt, with a pointed nose, chain-smoking (in meetings), from a middle-class family in Long Beach.
Like a child adapting the mannerisms of their parents, Chuck created this pseudo-staccato type of pidgeon-English of a Japanese immigrant. He was imitating the original Japanese Soka Gakkai members, and claimed to be part Cherokee. I think he did this to give credence to his knowledge of Buddhism.
Chuck is in the front row, second from left.
He always wore a rumpled black suit and a thin black tie. His appearance was part scarecrow and part crow. His speeches were riveting and we were mesmerized by his slow, trance-like turning of his burning cigarette in the ashtray, always maintaining a perfect glowing point of ash at the end. For us, this guy personified some cosmic state of awareness that became an essential piece of our Buddhist journey. We were so in awe of him we would have believed or done anything he told us.
Cult of personality from the very beginning.
He created some of the early Buddhist myths and dogma that we took as gospel back then. “You can achieve enlightenment in 3, 5, or 7 years,” he told us, thus creating one of the myths. As Chuck got closer to his 3 year mark, he changed it to 5, 7, or 10 years. This was a relief for me, because the more I chanted, the less I understood. But I never questioned why the formula changed. It came from Mr. Parker. That was enough for me.
Typical - the "guru" can never be wrong, can never be questioned. This guy - who was actually there in her environment, interacting with her, etc. - was WAY more a "mentor" to her than some distant Japanese fatman.
I was brought to my first meeting, in downtown Los Angeles, by my high school surfing friend, Mike Nader, of Dynasty T.V. fame. We were stoned, and there was Chuck sitting on the floor in a Lotus position, wearing a black suit. He was encircled by a small gaggle of Japanese housewives, who only spoke Japanese.
I can’t remember exactly what he said about Buddhism, just that he had squinty eyes. As he inhaled on his cigarette, he said in his strange, affected form of English, “Don’t be coward. You chant. Become enlightened.” Then he exhaled a smoke ring into my face. “Wow,” I thought, “This guy had it way beyond Elvira and Gypsy Boots!” Then he explained the Gohonzon and chanting. The whole experience was other-worldly to me.
Trance state talking.
Two months later, Chuck was appointed the district leader of the newly formed Santa Monica district. From the first day I saw him he became my mystic go-to guy. He was one of the few leaders who spoke in English in the Soka Gakkai of 1965.
For the next three years, Chuck was, in one form or other, my immediate leader. His bizarre charisma, and mystical interpretation of Buddhism, attracted and encouraged the early youth practitioners of Buddhism.
His personal life was in shambles.
O what a surprise.
He had no desire for stability other than to practice and teach Buddhism. He was literally homeless for a stretch of six months, and took great pride that he would do his daily practice of gongyo, with his Gohonzon, in various gas station restrooms . For a time, I had him as a non-paying roommate, but his living habits were so chaotic and unsanitary that I had to ask him to leave.
Finally, four years later, he was able to get a job in a restaurant, after receiving guidance that he was a terrible example to the members. He got his own place where we could have meetings. There was no furniture, just a butsudan (Buddhist altar) in the living room and a straw beach mat with a pillow in the bedroom. Periodically, the electricity was shut off for the lack of payment. Food would rot and get moldy in the refrigerator, and the only light for meetings would be candles.
Still, a real house was a major step up for Chuck. Later, after proving himself as employable, he was hired to work for the Soka Gakkai as the manager of the Santa Monica Community Center.
If he hadn't been such a charismatic leader, they'd never have given him a second thought.
Somewhere during this time, he married Barbara Comrada, an early pioneer of our Buddhist movement.
Chuck with his sublime smile, second from right. Barbara is the blonde in front. 1966
In 1970, Chuck became enamored with the bagpipes through a Scottish member, Joe McKean, who played them for Chuck. Chuck loved the idea of the enemy of the Scots running in fear when they heard the sound of the pipes in the distance. He felt this was something he wanted to create for the men who practiced Buddhism – a fierce identity.
Chuck became obsessed with the famous Scottish military bagpipe band, The Black Watch. He envisioned ten-thousand bagpipers marching down the Pacific Coast Highway stirring passion in all who heard them, according to him. The passion was to achieve World Peace, ultimately. The group grew to fifty strong, and played in a lot of parades that NSA had around the Country and even Japan. But Chuck was about more than just parades. There was a fanatical, warrior aspect that manifested in him from listening to bagpipes.
One Saturday in mid-summer, I had planned a series of shakabuku (introductory) meetings from 10 a.m., at Steve and Barbara Effnor’s house in Santa Monica. There were just a handful of us, and I sent people out on the street to bring guests back. I continued to chant by myself, as I heard the front door open and close many times. I could sense the room was filling up as the air got hotter and there was less echo in the living room.
In those days, at the beginning of the meeting we would jump up and lead a song. Then there would be an explanation of Buddhist practice, followed by experiences from the members, and then questions from the guests. The meeting would end with the MC asking, “Who would like to join?
At about twenty minutes into chanting, Chuck came in and knelt next to me. He was carrying a small record player, an extension cord, and a record with a Black Watch album cover. After setting up the record player, he turned to me and sternly said, “End now!” I said, “The members are still out doing shakabuku. There are just guests here.” He said, “No time. End now!” Always obedient and never questioning, I rang the bell.
Then, I turned around to welcome the guests, but I saw Chuck already on his feet with a fierce intensity. He said, facing the guests, “You came here to know Buddhism. This is the spirit of Buddhism.” He put on the Black Watch music of the pipes and drums, and above that otherworldly sound, he growled, “This is Buddhism . Do it or get out!” All seven guests bolted for the door. Afterwards, I turned towards him in a respectful way and asked what that was all about. He was packing up the record player and the album with his back towards me. When he finished, he got up, and walked out, without saying a single word.
A-yup O_O
Ten minutes later, six members walked in with a solitary guest. The members asked me where all the guests went. I had no answer. We started a meeting for our one guest.
In 1969, I rented a house right next to our joint headquarters building in Santa Monica. It was a great location, and there was plenty of parking at the beach lots. It was there the next night, around 10:30 p.m. after finishing our third and final meeting, that I still had about twenty-five members in the living room. In the distance, I started to hear bagpipe music. I looked around, and others were noticing it also.
Canadian Black Watch Pipers
It seemed to be coming from the direction of the ocean. We all got up and went to the front door, and finally spilled onto the bike path in front of my house. Lights were also coming on from the neighbors’ homes. The sounds of the pipes and drums were getting even closer. There was a crescent moon and we saw two columns of torches held high. They were now twenty yards away, becoming louder, brighter, and coming straight towards us out of the blackness.
There in front, in full bagpipe regalia, with kilts and a full-dress feather bonnet, was Chuck leading the group with a four-foot long mace. He motioned to us to stand aside as he pushed through the double french doors of my house. He marched in followed by twenty bagpipes and drummers, and flanked by four tiki-torches held high – so high that as they exited out the back door, they left black streaks all along the ceiling. As they exited, everyone turned to me for an explanation. I had none, except maybe that he was promoting the bagpipe band.
When I joined in early 1987, as far as I can remember, the bagpipe band was long gone. But Mark Gaber mentions it several times in his book "Rijicho" and even a picture on p. 42 of Cleve Ford, Los Angeles Bagpipers Drum Major, in full plaid regalia, as you can see here (you might have to page up or down - it's page 42).
Twenty minutes later, after everyone left, he called me, and stated that I should immediately come to his house. There, as I entered his house, was Chuck in full bagpipe uniform, chanting. As soon as I joined in, he stopped and turned to me. “Do you know why I brought the pipes into your house?” he said. Holding my breath, I just shook my head.
He lit a cigarette, looking down for what seemed like an eternity, twirling the cigarette until it made the famous point in the ashtray. There was another deep drag, coupled with a piercing stare, and he blew smoke into my face. “Was he doing this because he was part-Cherokee and he was doing a secret cleansing ceremony?” I wondered. I was sweating bullets.
Chuck blowing smoke with his followers
See that? HIS followers!
A mentor in the hand is worth a thousand in Japan.
He finally spoke: “You have lost the spirit to win, no matter what. Even though your chapter is number one in the nation, it means nothing. Victory is the cause for defeat. Do you think the Scots would have rested after defeating the British in one battle? No! They would have continued battle after battle until everyone was running from them in terror. You must regain that spirit.” I was dismissed.
I left feeling confused and defeated, but, as always, turned to the Gohonzon. It was twelve midnight, and I went back and chanted at my house, I am not sure for how long. I woke up at 6 a.m. crumpled in front of my butsudan, beads in hand, the candles having burned themselves out.
After we established a foothold on the [Sunset] Strip, we decided to branch out to another area with a lot of foot traffic – Hollywood Boulevard. The Boulevard was more edgy and rough than the Strip, but it was perfect for our method of street shakubuku. Where the Strip drew people from all over Los Angeles, Hollywood Boulevard pulled people in from all over the country and the world.
Hollywood – Mecca for cults and hustlers
The Boulevard was the mecca for lost souls and unfulfilled dreams. There were hundreds of seedy hotels and apartment buildings that bordered the area. Out of these crumbling brick buildings poured young, creative hopefuls that would wander the Boulevard with the hope of being discovered. Wannabe actors, musicians, writers and models would arrive every day at the Greyhound bus station a few blocks away, with tattered suitcases or guitar cases in hand.
Lost souls from around the world
It's a cult smorgasbord, in other words. A cult predator's wet dream.
Also at the bus station was another group that preyed on these naive, wide-eyed, new arrivals. These were the pimps, phony talent agents, drug dealers, and small-time hustlers.
And cult recruiters, of course.
They would greet the newcomers with phony business cards and glorified promises of being in the movies. The only stars that these kids would ever come close would be the brass ones embedded in the cement of the Hollywood Walk of Fame.
Willing to do anything for the big Hollywood break
Like the Sunset Strip, the Boulevard was a constant flow of people walking up and down the street. But whereas the Strip was about having a good time, the Boulevard had a vibe of hopelessness and despair. Walking on those sidewalks, one could feel the desperate hopes of the kids dreaming that they would meet someone who would get them into the movies or that they would be introduced to a record producer.
In January of 1969, a young woman, in her early 20’s, who joined 10 months before, went for guidance from a senior in faith to ask where she should rent a house or apartment. She was told to get a place in an area that was good for shakubuku. As a member of the Malibu District, she came to me after saying that she had looked around the Sunset Strip, but the rents were too high since they started at $250 per month in the Hollywood Hills area.
I suggested that she look around Hollywood Boulevard, where rents were cheaper. Within two days, she had found a place for under $200, and had moved in. It was a small, one bedroom, but as they say in real estate, “It’s location, location, location!” This modest cottage was located behind a bowling alley at Hollywood and Vine, which was a tourist mecca. Source
I've posted more, the continuation of the last excerpt above, here.
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